Mine won’t even tell me how much they’d charge for filling the form in
BASC statement on IOPC report into Keyham shootings
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
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It seems that the Police have no money at all judging from these crime clear-up rates; How many of us would retain a job if we consistently achieved only these rates of success ? The darker purple line shows a drop of (12% (of 100%) in eight years. so the all-crime clear up rate is now 6/7% (of 100%). I may start a specific challenge process to the Police since they seem worse at delivery than BASC !
I have to say the budget is a bit bigger but still increasing for 6% results ?
Figure 2.1 Overall annual funding for policing, financial year ending March 2023
I have to say the budget is a bit bigger but still increasing for 6% results ?
Figure 2.1 Overall annual funding for policing, financial year ending March 2023
you may be one of the luck ones who get it for free, the GP receptionist told me £25 when they phone’d to say it was done and I need to pay before they send it to the police it was then £100
when i challenged it she said simple letters were £25 but this is not simple, pay up shut up all I could do at that point.I wonder if, Extraplating the incidents caused by the mistakes made by Police FA Unit (in granting of / not taking proactive measures as a result of domestic incidents, third party reporting of concerns, how many incidents involving lawfully held sec 1 & sec 2 weapons have been reported and action taken?. In other words we are being penalised/tarred with the same brush for actions/inactions of others.
Contrast firearms related offences with vehicle related incidents, to me appears we (the shooting fraternity ) are the most heavily regulated members of society, and take a beating everytime some else, who could/should have done something about a known, or even perceived offence takes place
Example Iam drunk/on drugs, impaired, whatever, no driving licence, no insurance etc, I then drive a vehicle, kill some innocent person, in consequences, arrested, charged with Causing Death by Dangerous Driving, sentenced to a prison sentence, banned from driving for a number of years, but afterwards allowed to drive a vehicle again. now, I'm a legal owner and fully licensed firearms owner, who shoots a person in careless circumstances, resulting in a prison sentence, What is the chance of ever getting a ticket granted?.
Just a thought for anyone to jump in
Patrick
Given the crime clear-up rates above maybe be seen to do something over 'low-hanging fruit' diverts attention from the horrific picture of failure on most other crimes;
This article makes very sad reading.
www.bbc.co.uk
This article makes very sad reading.
Crimes solved by police in England and Wales at new low
Less than one in 10 offences saw someone charged or summonsed to appear in court, figures show.
www.bbc.co.uk
In the south wales area, crimes have increased by 60% (larger than national average), whilst clear-up/charge rates have fallen by 33% (national average of 22%).
Doesn't exactly leave you brimming with confidence - still, lets have a go at the firearms owners - that's a useful way of diverting attention ?
Very shortly they will have no satisfied customers and the crucial link to the community (as a source of information and goodwill will have been broken by failure.
Doesn't exactly leave you brimming with confidence - still, lets have a go at the firearms owners - that's a useful way of diverting attention ?
Very shortly they will have no satisfied customers and the crucial link to the community (as a source of information and goodwill will have been broken by failure.
timbrayford
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That is one of many bureaucratic restrictions that separates S1 from s2 and within the context of fit to be entrusted of questionable value. Unfortunately both ourselves and the police are saddled with laws drafted over 100 years ago, primarily to prevent a people's uprising, that have little relevance to today. With a few tweeks s2 is perfectly satisfactory for the remaining S1 guns that we are still allowed to possess, it would be great if the shooting organisations, police and home office could all get together and draft a streamlined firearms act based around fit to be entrusted and do away with all the bureaucratic nonsense that merely serves to divert police attention and add unnecessary expense to the certification process.
timbrayford
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That was from 2019. I expect it's much better now.Given the crime clear-up rates above maybe be seen to do something over 'low-hanging fruit' diverts attention from the horrific picture of failure on most other crimes;
This article makes very sad reading.
Crimes solved by police in England and Wales at new low
Less than one in 10 offences saw someone charged or summonsed to appear in court, figures show.
Conor O'Gorman
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No.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Ok lets cut the crap!
Its as simple as this, it does not matter one bit, what we think, what regulations or restrictions etc come of this tragic situation will be what it will be deemed fit by those who make the rules.
What happened in the past, what regulations there was in the past, does not matter one single bit, so you can gripe and moan and winge all you like in typical SD fashion.
Its as simple as this, it does not matter one bit, what we think, what regulations or restrictions etc come of this tragic situation will be what it will be deemed fit by those who make the rules.
What happened in the past, what regulations there was in the past, does not matter one single bit, so you can gripe and moan and winge all you like in typical SD fashion.
Personally I am very grateful that the Ukrainian people aren't showing this defeatest attitude
My then MP voted against the pistol ban,while we lost that vote we did win on 0.5 rifles and the Trophy import (what about export) ban is still not decided.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Its not defeatist at all, i just dont see how you lot can sit on the bench with rose tinted glasses on, thinking that things are going to be fine and rosey.Personally I am very grateful that the Ukrainian people aren't showing this defeatest attitude
My then MP voted against the pistol ban,while we lost that vote we did win on 0.5 rifles and the Trophy import (what about export) ban is still not decided.
I honestly do think we are going to be run through the mill!
I think there may come a point when politicians will not regulate further, simply because without an effective police force they are bound to be seen as legislators for no real purpose.
I dont feel there is the appetite at the moment (Met Police Rapists etc) for further legislation which cannot be relied on to return a political benefit and possibly a backlash.
Also people are not stupid (all, all of the time)) so it will slowly become apparent that POLICE are responsible indirectly for these killings. _ In truth, as we all wish, they would not have happened had not EXISTING procedures been negligently applied. I believe that will be the focus until the next time and, IMHO quite rightly so. Teresa May saw the rise of a second state in the Police Force and tried to dismantle it, Police protect their own too much and they will have to forego self-serving protection and do their job sometime better than they are or we may well see another attempt to divest them of 'the second state'. It is however worth noting that as failure increases who will pay billions for very little ?
I dont feel there is the appetite at the moment (Met Police Rapists etc) for further legislation which cannot be relied on to return a political benefit and possibly a backlash.
Also people are not stupid (all, all of the time)) so it will slowly become apparent that POLICE are responsible indirectly for these killings. _ In truth, as we all wish, they would not have happened had not EXISTING procedures been negligently applied. I believe that will be the focus until the next time and, IMHO quite rightly so. Teresa May saw the rise of a second state in the Police Force and tried to dismantle it, Police protect their own too much and they will have to forego self-serving protection and do their job sometime better than they are or we may well see another attempt to divest them of 'the second state'. It is however worth noting that as failure increases who will pay billions for very little ?
my simple view of why MPs like to legislate against firearms ownership is because they can (we are very law abiding) and because they think it makes them look good in the eyes of the voters and a great opportunity to further their career which is all they really care about.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Exactly that!
Keeping joe public happy and votes.
And i am afraid to say they will do what ever to get those votes even if shooting is a casualty
However in the plymouth case D&C police have publicly stated they cocked up, no cover up like we had with Dunblane , we have opportunity probably for the first time to come out of hiding and have are voices heard by the public and media, the police are frequently in the media for all the wrong reasons far more than I can ever remember.
Fingers crossed we can rise to this opportunity to make a difference such that shooting is not a casualty.
gonzo
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If it goes the way of land clearance, that is going to be an enormous amount of FLD work.
If only 10% of shotgunners rough shoot, that is 50,000 pieces of land that will need to be inspected and cleared. How many years will that take.
Clay grounds will need to become HO approved clubs. Again, a big chuck of extra work.
And given how itinerant many clay shooters are, confirming that you were actually shooting every gun, would be a huge administerative issue.
Will they condition shotguns for clay shooting that require the 'ranges' to be certified (the 'suitably constructed' bit.)
I do know a number of shotgun owners who just have the guns languishing in the safe. They are pretty much all ex-clay shooters, who keep the licence up in case they might want to get back into clays someday. And don't want to go through the whole myther of applying for a new SGC again. Especially with the current huge delays.
And a couple who have grandad's shotgun as a keepsake.
If only 10% of shotgunners rough shoot, that is 50,000 pieces of land that will need to be inspected and cleared. How many years will that take.
Clay grounds will need to become HO approved clubs. Again, a big chuck of extra work.
And given how itinerant many clay shooters are, confirming that you were actually shooting every gun, would be a huge administerative issue.
Will they condition shotguns for clay shooting that require the 'ranges' to be certified (the 'suitably constructed' bit.)
I do know a number of shotgun owners who just have the guns languishing in the safe. They are pretty much all ex-clay shooters, who keep the licence up in case they might want to get back into clays someday. And don't want to go through the whole myther of applying for a new SGC again. Especially with the current huge delays.
And a couple who have grandad's shotgun as a keepsake.
Civilian rifle ranges no longer need to be certified been that way since 2006 all down to the owner/operator now.
Firearms
Home Office circular 031 / 2006 Firearms Broad subject: Crime and Disorder Issue date: Mon Oct 23 00:00:00 BST 2006 From: Crime Reduction…
edit to add, however most likely the vast majority of clay grounds are annually inspected by the police to obtain the section 11(6) exemption that allows none certificate holders to shoot clay targets.
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