BASC statement on IOPC report into Keyham shootings
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timbrayford
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Precisely, its the "fit to be entrusted" stuff that needs attention with a focus on FLDs having robust training and an independent inspection regime to assist them in maintaining the standards of firearms administration that we are entitled too
Heym SR20
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The whole community, including the shooting community was failed by Devon & Cornwall Police.
As the inquest verdict, this individual should never been in possession of a firearm or shotgun.
As to whether it was a pump action, semi or conventional sxs or OU, it really matters not. A 3 shot semi / pump may be able to fire 3 quicker than a double, but a double is quicker to reload. Terminal effect is just the same.
There is a big difference between a high capacity semi holding 8 or 9 shells - but these are an FAC item.
As the inquest verdict, this individual should never been in possession of a firearm or shotgun.
As to whether it was a pump action, semi or conventional sxs or OU, it really matters not. A 3 shot semi / pump may be able to fire 3 quicker than a double, but a double is quicker to reload. Terminal effect is just the same.
There is a big difference between a high capacity semi holding 8 or 9 shells - but these are an FAC item.
just stumbled on this on bbc iplayer, did a search on SD but could not see a link having been posted
www.bbc.co.uk
The Big Cases - Twenty Minutes Of Terror
A gunman kills five people within minutes. Could the shootings have been prevented?
www.bbc.co.uk
timbrayford
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Magazine capacity is irrelevant as is the semi-auto action, what is relevant is police compliance with the "fit to be entrusted" requirement of the Firearms Act. Post Dunblane it was politically expedient to do a 100 year cover up and ban handguns instead , it would again be politically expedient to ban semi-auto shotguns under the guise of "stricter gun laws" , however the shooting community needs to stand firm on this and to my mind seek to have the classified findings of the Dunblane report made public in respect of the then police failings.
Stalker62
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Nothing to do with a 'politically expedient' cover up.
It was all to do with protecting the parents of those children who were murdered, from details that no parent needs to hear.
indeed, and likely that the police cocked up like they did re plymouth so lock it all away.
Stalker62
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I gave a factual response to an incorrect statement.
You give an opinionated segue to suit your narrative.
Fine.
and you know for a fact the parents never knew or know the true details?
I agree my comment was not based on substaniated evidence (because it’s locked away) but lots of rumours and speculation have come out over the years regarding Hamilton and the police prior to the horrific actions of Hamilton.
I agree my comment was not based on substaniated evidence (because it’s locked away) but lots of rumours and speculation have come out over the years regarding Hamilton and the police prior to the horrific actions of Hamilton.
8x57
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I will accept your augment that there would have been details that no parent should hear but it doesn't address the fact that the 100 year closure also protects those that should have been exposed.
I simply don't buy that. Many other child murder cases have occurred since Dunblane, albeit not multiple fatalities, and the details of these cases have not been hidden away for 100 years.
terrier1
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Can anyone tell me what legal shooting sports is a gun like the one that he used.
I can remember over 30 years ago being on a clay pigeon shooting ground and a guy walked on to one of the stands with a pump action and some of the old shooters who were waiting said aup we got one here.
I can remember over 30 years ago being on a clay pigeon shooting ground and a guy walked on to one of the stands with a pump action and some of the old shooters who were waiting said aup we got one here.
Practical shotgun.
normal pump action are still popular if used with sound moderators as semi autos will not cycle subsonic cartridges and not easy to fit a sound mod to a shotgun with two barrels.
terrier1
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That was the answer I was waiting to hear.
Practical shotgun
But that is not what he said he wanted the shotgun for he said he wanted it for clay pigeon shooting when the police got the information from the gun dealer and him what he had bought for me alarm bells should have been ringing.
That name alone winds me up, it should be called 'combat shotgun'. The practitioners should join the T.A. instead.
Paintball is another one! Encouraging people to point guns at others.
Alarm bells should have been ringing a long time before that, hence the tragic outcome, D&C failed big time.
However if you accept what you are saying you have introduced section 1 criteria on section 2 firearms, which currently do not apply.
In the BBC news today the Surrey shootings a shotgun was also used.
terrier1
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It's my believe that is what is coming to us all.
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