Basc voluntary lead ban
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Basc has not even yet had the manners to use its members email distribution to contact members and explain why they have u turned and at least try and win the members over.
Have totally lost all trust in basc for what good they are may as we’ll donate my membership fee to WJ at least they know how to fight a campaign.
Like this today,
wildjustice.org.uk
Was the move to non toxic shot and biodegradable wads supposed to stop this? If so no hope.
Have totally lost all trust in basc for what good they are may as we’ll donate my membership fee to WJ at least they know how to fight a campaign.
Like this today,
Wild Justice seeks judicial review of gamebird releases – Wild Justice
wildjustice.org.uk
Was the move to non toxic shot and biodegradable wads supposed to stop this? If so no hope.
So is Bismuth being banned too then?
CarlW
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Its time will come.
However, gold is quite safe: non-toxic, nice and heavy, and rather soft. Think it will pattern well. A little pricey but then maybe that will appease the masses....
It will be interesting to see how they intend to police this ban on lead/bismuth.
reloader54
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simply stop production. pretty soon there'll be nothing left to legally shoot at so it wont make much difference.
It'll look good stuck between your teeth too! Folk will be falling over themselves to buy gold shot game!
Pine Marten
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FOB, which is part of the Beretta Group, sells cartridges using soft copper pellets, but with plastic wads, which are usable in older guns. They're not cheap, but copper is abundant and non-toxic, so there's potential for economies of scale there:
www.terreseteaux.fr
CARTOUCHES SWEET COPPER 12/70 30G BJ X25 - FOB | Terres & Eaux
Les cartouches Sweet Copper de FOB sont des cartouches destinées à la chasse du gibier d'eau. Chargées de grenaille de cuivre doux, la déformation à l'impact s'approche réellement de celle du plomb. Les cartouches Sweet Copper développent...
www.terreseteaux.fr
reloader54
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will we be cautioned for thinking about lead, or reminiscing about days gone by when we killed things and ate them.
CarlW
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FOB, which is part of the Beretta Group, sells cartridges using soft copper pellets, but with plastic wads, which are usable in older guns. They're not cheap, but copper is abundant and non-toxic, so there's potential for economies of scale there:
CARTOUCHES SWEET COPPER 12/70 30G BJ X25 - FOB | Terres & Eaux
Les cartouches Sweet Copper de FOB sont des cartouches destinées à la chasse du gibier d'eau. Chargées de grenaille de cuivre doux, la déformation à l'impact s'approche réellement de celle du plomb. Les cartouches Sweet Copper développent...
Sheep are incredibly vulnerable to copper toxicity. Usually through the wrong feeds or concentrates being used. I wonder whether copper shot would affect them if ingested?
FOB, which is part of the Beretta Group, sells cartridges using soft copper pellets, but with plastic wads, which are usable in older guns. They're not cheap, but copper is abundant and non-toxic, so there's potential for economies of scale there:
CARTOUCHES SWEET COPPER 12/70 30G BJ X25 - FOB | Terres & Eaux
Les cartouches Sweet Copper de FOB sont des cartouches destinées à la chasse du gibier d'eau. Chargées de grenaille de cuivre doux, la déformation à l'impact s'approche réellement de celle du plomb. Les cartouches Sweet Copper développent...
Ummm, correction. Copper is toxic.
Copper toxicity - Wikipedia
Who says copper isn’t toxic?FOB, which is part of the Beretta Group, sells cartridges using soft copper pellets, but with plastic wads, which are usable in older guns. They're not cheap, but copper is abundant and non-toxic, so there's potential for economies of scale there:
CARTOUCHES SWEET COPPER 12/70 30G BJ X25 - FOB | Terres & Eaux
Les cartouches Sweet Copper de FOB sont des cartouches destinées à la chasse du gibier d'eau. Chargées de grenaille de cuivre doux, la déformation à l'impact s'approche réellement de celle du plomb. Les cartouches Sweet Copper développent...
Copper toxicity is a type of metal poisoning caused by an excess of copper in the body. Copperiedus can occur from eating acidic foods cooked in uncoated copper cookware, or from exposure to excess copper in drinking water or other environmental sources.
Pine Marten
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OK, is it more or less toxic than lead? And bismuth? I gather that with open chokes, you can use standard performance steel shot in most older guns. Steel is more expensive than lead, but still much cheaper than others. It's just the wads that need developing. Ideally in a 16 bore load, please... For my drilling.
Orion
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will we be cautioned for thinking about lead, or reminiscing about days gone by when we killed things and ate them.
Hopefully since the judgement of Miller v The Chief Constable of Humberside, any further ideas that certain sections of British police have had of emulating “the Cheka, Gestapo or Stasi” (Mr Justice Julian Knowles 14th February 2020), will have been booted into touch, and they’ll now realise that 1984 is a dystopian novel and not a training manual.
reloader54
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when you say "sheep" carl,, do you refer to quadrupedal, ruminant mammals typically kept as livestock.
or groups of semi-literate people living in inner city slum areas who watch love island, get me outta here I'm a talentless z lister, and similar televised dross, who have never had a job but always seem to have phones, drugs, and designer clothing.
I only ask as if it's the latter,,, "Am I bovverd"
Pine Marten
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Same here, and very thorough it is too, excellent FAQ section with links to sources of evidence. I'll be honest here: if there was an available standard performance 16 bore load with a biodegradable wad and ideally a paper case, I'd be using it already. I switched to paper cases for lead a couple of years ago, and haven't tried steel in by Brno 12 bore because of the wads. If I were to return to regularly shooting at wildfowl though, it would make sense to buy a steel-proofed gun. There was an article in ST recently about a guy who bought an AYA number 4 for £150, had it prepared for steel proof, proofed for steel (it passed), and he was ready to go. There's an element of risk involved though. If my Brno blows up, then it will be a shame, but it will just have died of old age... I wouldn't risk it with my drilling. I'm sure it's up to it, but I don't want to touch the chokes in case it affects the rifle, and I can't replace it. So probably need a stockpile of 16 bore bismuth. In paper cases.
Did they ask for your view or tell you its "the thing to do for public safety" like medicals. I'm not now getting any e-mails from any Org but I expect a tweet from Swift saying " I told you so".
