Border Force stop issuing export permits

[jon 12]

Any updates on this, has it been sorted legitimately, without the obligatory passing of a few 100 rand?

 

[Hanechdene]

Some information that relates to Border Force’s statement:

Exporting firearms

Guidance for businesses and individuals on what licence and supporting documentation you need to export firearms, ammunition and related equipment.

www.gov.uk

Exceptions for certificate or permit holders​

Article 16 of the Order provides an exception for the export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to countries outside the EU.

You do not normally need an export licence to take or send the following items overseas if they are for personal use and part of your personal effects:

• firearms
• shotguns
• related ammunition and sights (non-electronic image enhancement)

This only applies if you have either a valid certificate or visitor’s permit for your firearm or shotgun.

You must have the relevant items entered on the certificate. The certificates and items must be ready to be presented by the holder, or their appointed agent, to an HMRC officer at the place of export.

The Export Control Order 2008

This Order consolidates Orders made under the Export Control Act 2002, with some changes. As a consequence the Export of Goods, Transfer of Technology and Provision of Technical Assistance (Control) Order 2003, the Trade in Goods (Control) Order 2003, the Trade in Controlled Goods (Embargoed...

www.legislation.gov.uk

(3) The exception in this article only applies if the firearm, related ammunition and sight using non-electronic image enhancement form part of the personal effects of the holder of the relevant certificate or permit and, in a case to which paragraph (2)(b) applies, the certificate or permit is produced by the holder, or the holder’s duly authorised agent, with the firearm and, if carried, ammunition and sight to the proper officer of Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs at the place of exportation.

So the above should satisfy the following:

 

[jon 12]

Some information that relates to Border Force’s statement:

Exporting firearms

Guidance for businesses and individuals on what licence and supporting documentation you need to export firearms, ammunition and related equipment.

www.gov.uk

Exceptions for certificate or permit holders​

Article 16 of the Order provides an exception for the export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to countries outside the EU.

You do not normally need an export licence to take or send the following items overseas if they are for personal use and part of your personal effects:

• firearms
• shotguns
• related ammunition and sights (non-electronic image enhancement)

This only applies if you have either a valid certificate or visitor’s permit for your firearm or shotgun.

You must have the relevant items entered on the certificate. The certificates and items must be ready to be presented by the holder, or their appointed agent, to an HMRC officer at the place of export.

The Export Control Order 2008

This Order consolidates Orders made under the Export Control Act 2002, with some changes. As a consequence the Export of Goods, Transfer of Technology and Provision of Technical Assistance (Control) Order 2003, the Trade in Goods (Control) Order 2003, the Trade in Controlled Goods (Embargoed...

www.legislation.gov.uk

(3) The exception in this article only applies if the firearm, related ammunition and sight using non-electronic image enhancement form part of the personal effects of the holder of the relevant certificate or permit and, in a case to which paragraph (2)(b) applies, the certificate or permit is produced by the holder, or the holder’s duly authorised agent, with the firearm and, if carried, ammunition and sight to the proper officer of Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs at the place of exportation.

So the above should satisfy the following:

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Thanks very much for the information, hopefully all will be cleared up and sorted for next year.

 

[Hanechdene]

When are you going? I’m flying beginning of February

 

[jon 12]

Not until April so should be sorted by then.

 

[Jagdmatch]

Has anyone landed at Jo berg recently without the permit from Border Force ?

 

[Safari Hunter]

I've been in touch with Mr X and also Air2000 asking the latest situation. They are still insisting on this letter from Border Force which is no longer issued.
The only real way around it is a pre arranged permit with meet and greet. Mr X at Afton charge $100 and Air2000 $200. They need all of the paperwork you would usually need, except the letter from Border Force, sent to them a minimum of 25 days before flying.
There was a meeting last week and nothing is looking likely to be sorted for a long time.
It's a ludicrous situation but better to be safe than sorry.

Cheers
Adrian

 

[Hanechdene]

Morning all,

As I write I am sitting in terminal A at JNB waiting to fly to East London.

The SAP office queried not having an export licence and showed them the email I had from Border Force and mentioned the various UK legislation.

Permit issued.

It took about 30 to 40 minutes to issue the SAP licence, so no longer than normal.

Happy hunting!

 

[Jagdmatch]

I am in South Africa today at Oliver Tambo. It took 90 minutes of frank and meaningful discussion and reasonable inducement to get the paperwork done by the police office ( we were the only people there) It took all 6 of the staff to deal with the paperwork and typing in detail . We did however miss our connecting flight so another 3 hour wait. I think the thing that helped was a copy of the UK legislation but in future I think I would get a SA import agent and pay them

 

[Hanechdene]

I am in South Africa today at Oliver Tambo. It took 90 minutes of frank and meaningful discussion and reasonable inducement to get the paperwork done by the police office ( we were the only people there) It took all 6 of the staff to deal with the paperwork and typing in detail . We did however miss our connecting flight so another 3 hour wait. I think the thing that helped was a copy of the UK legislation but in future I think I would get a SA import agent and pay them

Out of interest, were you in a group?

How did you present your paperwork? Did you have copies of everything ready for them?

 

[Jagdmatch]

Out of interest, were you in a group?

How did you present your paperwork? Did you have copies of everything ready for them?

No not in a group, copies of paperwork available but not required as details entered straight into computer record on front desk.

 

[Beardog]

Has anybody else had recent experience in OR Tambo?

I'm due to go through with a group next month, and we've just had the email reply: "Border Force are no longer issuing these letters to passengers who are visiting South Africa. The South African authorities are aware of this change and will no longer be asking to see them".

I really don’t relish the idea of either losing weapons or being rubber-gloved by the SA Police.

 

[Hanechdene]

Yes, print the email out and take it with you.

That satisfied them when I went through in February.