harrygrey382
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Are non FAC holders allowed to receive brass in the mail? And are there any restrictions to them posting it overseas?
Brass with no FAC
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deerstalker.308
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No, it’s just brass, no licence requirement at all
harrygrey382
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Ok thanks just checking. And no worries export restrictions?
Are you thinking of posting from Australia to the U.K.?
You shouldn’t commit any offences as brass isn’t controlled here (yet, at any rate).
The main thing to keep in mind is that most carriers in the U.K. prohibit carriage of ammunition or its components, so it could get stopped and seized by the carrier.
Plenty of us (myself included) will post brass and bullets but just don’t tell the carrier what’s in the parcel. 99%of the time they’re none the wiser.
You shouldn’t commit any offences as brass isn’t controlled here (yet, at any rate).
The main thing to keep in mind is that most carriers in the U.K. prohibit carriage of ammunition or its components, so it could get stopped and seized by the carrier.
Plenty of us (myself included) will post brass and bullets but just don’t tell the carrier what’s in the parcel. 99%of the time they’re none the wiser.
harrygrey382
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Thanks - other way round though. I’m checking my options - thinking of getting a few things and building up at my parents In the UK and they’ll post them to Australia for me. Just checking they won’t catch any grief over it
deerstalker.308
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No, they will be fine, the risk would be (although it really shouldn’t) from an overzealous customs checker probably at your end seizing it on entry as if X Ray’d it could spark interest (basing this on watching re-runs of stop search seize and other Ozzie border control programs, the seem pretty heavy on stuff that looks iffy!!
I wouldn't have thought so, they certainly shouldn't have any trouble receiving.
In terms of export, I don't imagine any offence would be committed (although once it leave the UK I have no idea). Biggest risk will be that customs seize it as there is a tendency to seize anything which looks like ammo.
Thinking more, they may have an issue posting internationally because of the carriers prohibiting ammo components. Domestically, I have no concerns telling the post office that brass bullets are 'nuts and bolts' or something similar. When exporting I believe you have to make a declaration as to the contents and I personally wouldn't make a false customs declaration as that might have sanctions.
Thinking aloud, it might work to declare it as 'metal cases', or something equally vague. That could avoid the issue of a false declaration and hopefully not catch the carriers attention.
In terms of export, I don't imagine any offence would be committed (although once it leave the UK I have no idea). Biggest risk will be that customs seize it as there is a tendency to seize anything which looks like ammo.
Thinking more, they may have an issue posting internationally because of the carriers prohibiting ammo components. Domestically, I have no concerns telling the post office that brass bullets are 'nuts and bolts' or something similar. When exporting I believe you have to make a declaration as to the contents and I personally wouldn't make a false customs declaration as that might have sanctions.
Thinking aloud, it might work to declare it as 'metal cases', or something equally vague. That could avoid the issue of a false declaration and hopefully not catch the carriers attention.
harrygrey382
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Yes they could be very vague - although “brass cases” might be safest. There’s a high chance customs this end would pick it up and hold it, which is fine as I just send them a copy of my import permit (a free online sourced doc). But just so I know, following the law to a T on the UK end - are ammo components (specifically brass) legal to export?
deerstalker.308
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Yes, you are fine but steer clear from actual bullets and of course primers.
Seem to remember someone on the forum looking for some RWS brass in Australia and being pointed in the direction of egun in Germany and having difficulty’s with them sending them. The person who was looking I think mentioned a free import/export license being required for brass. That being said when ever I get asked at the post office when posting brass I tell them it’s metal parts
Heym SR20
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Thanks to the B word the export controls on Firearms, Weapons and ammunition have changed as of 31 December 2020
New guidance is here and you will to take a deep breath and put a cold towel over you head to make head nor tail of these.
www.gov.uk
Fundamentally Firearms and Ammunition are subject to export controls. To many parts of the world (not EU though) you can export your own personal firearms using your FAC / SC.
As far as RWS brass it is a component part of ammunition so whether it is a controlled part is a matter of interpretation and conjecture. Given that customs officers have been given new found freedoms and are having an absolute field day with all the new paperwork, I am not sure the embuggerance of sending 100 used RWS cases to Australia is worth the hassle. Yes RWS brass is good brass, but doubt it will be any better than brass sourced directly in Australia, which has its own manufacturers of anmunition.
But you have to make your own call.
New guidance is here and you will to take a deep breath and put a cold towel over you head to make head nor tail of these.
Exporting firearms
Guidance for businesses and individuals on what licence and supporting documentation you need to export firearms, ammunition and related equipment.
Fundamentally Firearms and Ammunition are subject to export controls. To many parts of the world (not EU though) you can export your own personal firearms using your FAC / SC.
As far as RWS brass it is a component part of ammunition so whether it is a controlled part is a matter of interpretation and conjecture. Given that customs officers have been given new found freedoms and are having an absolute field day with all the new paperwork, I am not sure the embuggerance of sending 100 used RWS cases to Australia is worth the hassle. Yes RWS brass is good brass, but doubt it will be any better than brass sourced directly in Australia, which has its own manufacturers of anmunition.
But you have to make your own call.
Heym SR20
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Rereading the OP’s posts and given that you are in Australia, if you specifically want RWS brass I would buy ready loaded ammo and save the brass.
I use RWS brass in my 7x65r and 243. Yes it’s good brass, but any better than others - well it is harder and tougher so more difficult to work, but longer life. Brass and Ammo is priced comparable to Norma, Lapua etc. In the UK RWS brass is difficult to get new - limited amounts are imported, and 12 years when I got my 7x65r ammo availibility in UK was limited. I managed to find four boxes that had been gathering dust on a dealers shelf. And an kind SD member brought over 40 cases from Germany and I imported the dies. That brass is now being retired as I got a job lot of RWS ammo in a sale.
As for 243 - well my Rifle liked RWS ammo and built brass that way.
But would I use RWS brass specifically - no. In my 223 and 7x57 I happily use PPU. With my 7x65R ammo was limited in its availability. I do have a few Norma cases. They feel nicer to work. But I only have a few and really can’t be bothered to change as I several boxes of factory RWS ammo to use and then reload.
I use RWS brass in my 7x65r and 243. Yes it’s good brass, but any better than others - well it is harder and tougher so more difficult to work, but longer life. Brass and Ammo is priced comparable to Norma, Lapua etc. In the UK RWS brass is difficult to get new - limited amounts are imported, and 12 years when I got my 7x65r ammo availibility in UK was limited. I managed to find four boxes that had been gathering dust on a dealers shelf. And an kind SD member brought over 40 cases from Germany and I imported the dies. That brass is now being retired as I got a job lot of RWS ammo in a sale.
As for 243 - well my Rifle liked RWS ammo and built brass that way.
But would I use RWS brass specifically - no. In my 223 and 7x57 I happily use PPU. With my 7x65R ammo was limited in its availability. I do have a few Norma cases. They feel nicer to work. But I only have a few and really can’t be bothered to change as I several boxes of factory RWS ammo to use and then reload.
Cranhill
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In some EU countries, Brass is listed same as loaded ammo.
harrygrey382
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Thanks guys, just exploring my options. It’s not just about RWS brass - they often send stuff and sometimes some brass can be cheaper and easier to get in the UK. However I do have a bit of an obsession with RWS right now - partly as it seems unequivocally the best, and partly because I missed out on a few boxes of it on special from an online a supplier for NZ$27/box, and I feel I need to punish myself until I get some... I can make do with other brass (probably formed from my excess of 30-06) for the moment but sometimes I don’t feel Like compromising!
The export regs seem a bit confusing - like Mentioning needing to have it listed on your FAC etc. - it’s very written for firearms and loaded ammo, not inert components
I’d get loaded ammo if I could - but at AU$85/20 and a 16hr round trip in the car, I’ll keep trying for brass cases for the moment.
The export regs seem a bit confusing - like Mentioning needing to have it listed on your FAC etc. - it’s very written for firearms and loaded ammo, not inert components
I’d get loaded ammo if I could - but at AU$85/20 and a 16hr round trip in the car, I’ll keep trying for brass cases for the moment.
harrygrey382
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How would the x-ray pick up they had a primer or not? Surely if scanned and saw it as a cartridge case they’d open it and look, rather than scanning for a primer or not? And if they can spot a primer they can spot a lack of bullet?
We’re assuming ‘they’ are rational but as we all know ‘they’ can often fall back into that behaviour known as makingshitup.
When flying from the US to the UK (as crew) once a TSA minimum wage grunt tried to confiscate a small bottle of Remington gun oil from my suitcase as it was “dangerous goods”. There ensued a conversation where he was unable to show which class of DG it is or explain why it should be confiscated yet my aftershave with a lower flashpoint was permissible.
Sometimes you cannot reason with these people.
When flying from the US to the UK (as crew) once a TSA minimum wage grunt tried to confiscate a small bottle of Remington gun oil from my suitcase as it was “dangerous goods”. There ensued a conversation where he was unable to show which class of DG it is or explain why it should be confiscated yet my aftershave with a lower flashpoint was permissible.
Sometimes you cannot reason with these people.
CarlW
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The TSA are a disgrace to brand-USA. They really are a reason not to visit the place. Except in the South, of course. Everyone's nice in the South...
