2130martin
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Another reason why the EU super state will never work!!
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enfieldspares
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The Swiss are EEA Members. Like we'd be, and Norway is, if we had a soft Brexit. So EU less Common Agricultural Policy and Fisheries Policy....plus maybe banking controls. 'Xcept as far as the Swiss go the fisheries bit isn't really relevant.
Love it!.
Hayduke
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Old timer is so worked up he need's some yoga or an aspirin before he busts a blood clot that gives him stroke !
We should all respect our elders!
Old timer is so worked up he need's some yoga or an aspirin before he busts a blood clot that gives him stroke !
Busted blood clots rarely cause strokes,only whole ones do! I almost resisted it but couldn't, "There are all types of clots....."
mchughcb
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We should all respect our elders!
He doesn't need to justify who he voted for. He can learn a lot from our libertarian senator.
Hornet 6
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And therein lies the root of most of the worlds problems.
Everywhere we went we caused problems for the locals, we also systematically raped those countries of there wealth and made slaves or the inhabitants, either there, or sold them overseas.
Neil.
howa243
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Not sure that's entirely accurate but its a point of view.
tackb
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yes and they are doing really well now , oh wait ......
countrryboy
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Hornets view is quite harsh but there is a lot of truth in it.
The thing is if britain or many other european countries didn't settle in these foriegn countries they may of been quite happy with there own subsistance lifestyles and wouldn't need to mine, rape there rain forests or try to grow crops in poor/mariginal ground. And wouldn't be as over populated as many now are.
I'm sure many of the natives were perfectly happy before westerners settled them and tried to change them to be like there own country/religion.
But its far too late to turn the clock back now
A lot of the worlds problems are caused by everyone wanting to be more deveoloped and chasing the western dream.
Sometimes folk/kids are happpier in a simple lifestyle where there not constantly chasing some dream or wanting the next fancy phone/car/house etc
enfieldspares
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Cripes Finch...where did you get HIM from...the ranter?
Like the Harry Enfield character..."Heseltine...NO!...but without the charm or humour.
God! Imagine being sat next to him on a long coach journey on National Express.
Milton Keynes wouldn't come soon enough.
Like the Harry Enfield character..."Heseltine...NO!...but without the charm or humour.
God! Imagine being sat next to him on a long coach journey on National Express.
Milton Keynes wouldn't come soon enough.
enfieldspares
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The slavery thing. Not always as it seems. My wife and my "ex" before are Nigerian, both from Benin City.
Born and bred. Speak Edo their mother tongue, English and French.
Ruled since 1000 AD by the Oba(s) of Benin. World's longest same family of hereditary monarchs apparently.
Anyway. Big slavers were the Oba(s) of Benin.
Dealt with the Portuguese and after them the Dutch and then the British. And before any of them with other Kingdoms in Africa and the Arabs.
Last sovereign ruler in Africa until deposed by us Brits in 1896. The restored by us Brits in 1914.
But I always remember my "ex" in Paris. She was in her mid to late twenties then. Small but perfectly formed and all that.
We were at the Eiffel Tower. A group of load African Americans arrived. Noisy. Jostling. One of them shoved her.
Not good! She turned, looked at them, made her assessment and shouted.
"Look at these people. They do not know how to behave. For they are all, all of them, slaves and the descendants of slaves."
They were all struck silent. So the slavery thing, TB, not quite always how today's books would have it.
The traditional rulers of West Africa traded long before the "Brits" arrived, or the Europeans, in many things. Metal, palm oil, gems. And slaves.
Born and bred. Speak Edo their mother tongue, English and French.
Ruled since 1000 AD by the Oba(s) of Benin. World's longest same family of hereditary monarchs apparently.
Anyway. Big slavers were the Oba(s) of Benin.
Dealt with the Portuguese and after them the Dutch and then the British. And before any of them with other Kingdoms in Africa and the Arabs.
Last sovereign ruler in Africa until deposed by us Brits in 1896. The restored by us Brits in 1914.
But I always remember my "ex" in Paris. She was in her mid to late twenties then. Small but perfectly formed and all that.
We were at the Eiffel Tower. A group of load African Americans arrived. Noisy. Jostling. One of them shoved her.
Not good! She turned, looked at them, made her assessment and shouted.
"Look at these people. They do not know how to behave. For they are all, all of them, slaves and the descendants of slaves."
They were all struck silent. So the slavery thing, TB, not quite always how today's books would have it.
The traditional rulers of West Africa traded long before the "Brits" arrived, or the Europeans, in many things. Metal, palm oil, gems. And slaves.
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landkeeper
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yes being born and bred in the midlands i was taught at school as were most that the empire was great and wondefull that great britain was a marvelous place and wern't we great how we did so much across the whole globe . It's only when you get out and see the world visit those contries and learn how things really were that the rose tinted spectacles fall off the end of your nose
you don't need to travel very far to learn of tens of thousands of children stolen and sold into slavery it happened very close to home and was a disgrace
you don't need to travel very far to learn of tens of thousands of children stolen and sold into slavery it happened very close to home and was a disgrace
Bandit Country
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Anyone else notice how Mr Condell's video rather touched a nerve? Rather proves the point doesn't it? Could we please have an 'Angry Loser' avatar for the angry losers?
As for all the folk lining up to condemn the British Empire you really need to look at the state of these countries before the British turned up. I see that the Punjab is now taking steps to eradicate all signs of the vile colonialists. Apparently we were an utterly bad thing that set them back millennia. Unfortunately, following the death of Ranjit Singh the Punjab was a basket case of horrors for the population until British rule established some sort of equilibrium. Obviously the Empire wasn't all sweetness and light but don't make the mistake of judging it by current standards.
As for all the folk lining up to condemn the British Empire you really need to look at the state of these countries before the British turned up. I see that the Punjab is now taking steps to eradicate all signs of the vile colonialists. Apparently we were an utterly bad thing that set them back millennia. Unfortunately, following the death of Ranjit Singh the Punjab was a basket case of horrors for the population until British rule established some sort of equilibrium. Obviously the Empire wasn't all sweetness and light but don't make the mistake of judging it by current standards.
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