British isles peoples?

Basically we are all just a bunch of immigrants who were kicked, pushed out or just got fedup. / seeking new options.

The first settlers were the first immigrants and its still going on now.

And the last lot to settle dont like the current ones.

For millenia been two main influxes. Celts who have come up along the Atlantic seaboard from originally North Africa.

And the Norse / saxons coming in across the north sea, although a number - the normans came via france.

And of course these were really just two branches who came up out of Africa and split. Some went west - ie the Celts and the others went east and ultimately became the saxons / norsemen.

Must have been a good place to come to. Ever since boats were invented they have come and still are.
 
The Celts were thought to be a myth of the Victorian era like Llewellyn's dog (Beth) gelert. However the name comes from the Haldstatt area of Germany/Austria where a prince's tomb of what is thought to be Celtish tribe was unearthed. The Celts are identified by their shared culture (swirls and swords swords etc). It was proposed that the Celts were pushed to the coastal margins of France, England, Wales and Scotland by Roman incursions, to preserve ther culture as well as their lives.
The Picti (Scots) were always a different set of people who raided Englands north ( even then subsidised by their English neighbours).
Basically Celtic was a shared culture of the peoples of west Wales, Cornwall, Brittany and a much larger area of Europe (principally Germany).
There are details of the Celts and lots of useful texts - a programme by Dr Alice Roberts was made by her to find and define the Celts - BBC, sadly but you might watch it to give more info.
 
Basically we are all just a bunch of immigrants who were kicked, pushed out or just got fedup. / seeking new options.

The first settlers were the first immigrants and its still going on now.

And the last lot to settle dont like the current ones.

For millenia been two main influxes. Celts who have come up along the Atlantic seaboard from originally North Africa.

And the Norse / saxons coming in across the north sea, although a number - the normans came via france.

And of course these were really just two branches who came up out of Africa and split. Some went west - ie the Celts and the others went east and ultimately became the saxons / norsemen.
That is pretty much the pattern for every country on the planet. The people of the British Isles are not uniquely a migrant melting pot, any more than any other country. In fact, by European standards, genetically speaking, ours is one of the more settled and well established populations.
Supposedly, all modern humans are descended from ancestors who came from what is today Africa (but wasn't then - in fact Europe and Africa were pretty much conjoined which may explain why the most ancient modern human artifacts and cave paintings discovered to date are found in Europe. France to be precise). African populations are as much a genetic mixture as their European or Asian counterparts. There are as many different genetic markers across the various African peoples as there are between Celts and Chinese people. Saying "we all come from Africa is a massive over-simplification and doesn't mean anything more than saying Saint Bernards and Jack Russels are both descended from wolves. Technically true but the fact tells you absolutely nothing about the two breeds.
 

I have friends in Caithness but they don't live in the caves. you might even know them. :thumb: @levigsp
I rode my bike up through Caithness to John O' Groats last summer. There was an odd vibe to some of those places on the north east coast. Passing through Wick I got the distinct impression that if I wanted to get murdered in my bed, I'd found the perfect place.
 
I rode my bike up through Caithness to John O' Groats last summer. There was an odd vibe to some of those places on the north east coast. Passing through Wick I got the distinct impression that if I wanted to get murdered in my bed, I'd found the perfect place.


yeah, they always gave that impression when they lived near me, but they are good honourable people who would not see you in any sort of predicament they could not help improve. ;)
 
yeah, they always gave that impression when they lived near me, but they are good honourable people who would not see you in any sort of predicament they could not help improve. ;)
TBF a lot of locals get jarred off with the whole NC500 tourist circus. I have some sympathy with that.
Tough place to live too I would imagine. The wind was blowing horrendously when I was there and that was the middle of June. From Helmsdale northwards, the landscape right on the coast was as featureless as tundra and there seemed to be stacks of abandoned crofts. I can only imagine what it must be like in midwinter.
 
TBF a lot of locals get jarred off with the whole NC500 tourist circus. I have some sympathy with that.
Tough place to live too I would imagine. The wind was blowing horrendously when I was there and that was the middle of June. From Helmsdale northwards, the landscape right on the coast was as featureless as tundra and there seemed to be stacks of abandoned crofts. I can only imagine what it must be like in midwinter.


he purchased the local school, I guess they never had much use for it.
 
Strange but true. People had been living in isolation on St Kilda since 2000 BC and had probably been climbing cliffs barefoot for who knows how long. Consequently they evolved gripping toes.
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If you want to study the various tribes and communities who make up the human history of the British Isles, St Kildans have to be one of the strangest and most fascinating. A virtually stone age community of land-bound, non-seafaring people surviving on a tiny treeless storm-lashed rock in the north Atlantic in almost total isolation for thousands of years, predating the Scots, the Picts, the Norsemen and the Romans, right up until the 20th century when they were rendered extinct by the modern world.
They're a topic in their own right.
 
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Yup the English know they can .:british::tiphat:
The Scots tryd to and failed.:coat:
The Paddy's just don't give a feck !:zzz:
The Welsh still think there are fairy's and dragons around each hill .:cuckoo::scared:
The real Cornish hate every one that's not from around there fish gutting shed .:mad:
:stir::popcorn:
Your talking bs Paul!
Plenty of fairy's walking around Cardiff m8 :gheyfight:
And I'm married to a dragon so take it back:thumb:
ATB dave
 
There are a couple of tribes of people that live in Caithness, they claim they are picts by origin. I description is worthwhile.
They are short stocky people, about 5 feet 5 tall. Black hair, dark skin, one in a hundred has the most vivid sky blue eyes, head size and shape is a very good indicator, picture a 3 gallon pale with eyes and mouth..
Males and female and Immature are indistinguishable apart from size, but even that can throw one. Very soft spoken, but also communicate with various gruntal tones.
I have seen similar but not the same in other parts, the bogghoppers of the Irish slobs are similar, The Southport banks, dwellers[original] are similar and finaly the north Norfolk flat foot are similar, but non match the Caithness pict in there looks and incredible behaviour. therefore I conclude that they are the purist form.. Hope that helps with you research.
PS somewhere I have a great photo of the picts lounging about semi naked in the cliff side cave homes.
A wealth of historical knowledge from levigsp and just to add. When the Vikings eventually managed to negotiate the tricky waters of the Pentland firth, in order to find pastures new for their rape and pillage hi jinks. Some of the punter pics who did not like their little games scarpered down the coast eventually settling in Anglesey and further south, in fact, close to where VSS bides. Thus spreading the Gaelic language to the 'Welch' who quickly bastardized it and sent it over the sea to Ireland, who f**ked the language up even more..
 

I have friends in Caithness but they don't live in the caves. you might even know them. :thumb: @levigsp
I moved to Caithness many moons ago, for good reason.
In general the people are VERY friendly and helpful and the only prejudice I found was from drunks who had nothing, they blamed everybody except themselves for having nothing. The tinklers who are now of even more mixed blood then when I first arrived were a strange lot, untrusting and untrustworthy of some people, yet they would help others with their last breath. I helped one who was frowned upon by society to move, he moved to the queen charlotte islands and he has done very well for himself. Caithness is not for everybody, the twisted faces of adult woman show how hard its environment is, but if you can hack it, its GODs own country.
 
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