Can a friend use my rifle on his permission?.

[enfieldspares]

Why do folk insist on this drive to dot every i rather than just be sensible ?

Because, unfortunately, sh1t happens. And then it's too late. It only takes one telephone call from the often quoted "anxious member of the public hearing gunshots" and you get back to the vehicle and there's an police armed response unit parked up asking who was shooting and with what and then sh1t happens.

 

[Will the chippy]

Why don't you just tell your mate to use a torch. Night vision scope is nice but not mandatory. A t50 of 67 torch would work fine for a few bunnies. Don't over complicate it.

 

[Bowland blades]

Why don't you just tell your mate to use a torch. Night vision scope is nice but not mandatory. A t50 of 67 torch would work fine for a few bunnies. Don't over complicate it.

Apparently Rabbits and that have never been lamped have inherited Lamp Shyness from great , great, great grandparents LOL!

 

[25 Sharps]

I think that would also technically not be ok.
Unless you’re using the “estate rifle” thingy then I think he can’t use your rifle anyway.
If you’re on his ground it’s not really him borrowing an estate rifle is it?
I think it’s a bit of a grey area though

What he is describing is ‘the estate rifle thingy’ he needs to have permission from the person in control of the shooting rights, or someone authorised by them, to loan a rifle and it must be written permission.

 

[25 Sharps]

Because, unfortunately, sh1t happens. And then it's too late. It only takes one telephone call from the often quoted "anxious member of the public hearing gunshots" and you get back to the vehicle and there's an police armed response unit parked up asking who was shooting and with what and then sh1t happens.

I’ve had exactly this, shoot off the back of an industrial estate, on 2 separate occasions police have turned up due to fuel thefts. One time the asked names, addresses, what calibre we were shooting (neither of us had our FACs with us) them radioed in to confirm all above board.

 

[Archer]

Because, unfortunately, sh1t happens. And then it's too late. It only takes one telephone call from the often quoted "anxious member of the public hearing gunshots" and you get back to the vehicle and there's an police armed response unit parked up asking who was shooting and with what and then sh1t happens.

Yup, had something like that one time I was rabbit shooting.

 

[Nickb]

Most police couldn't care less. I was out the other night and parked in a gateway. I was in the field with my thermal looking for foxes. I saw the police pull up so I went straight over and told them I was out foxing. They said Ok and off they went , never asked a single question.

 

[25 Sharps]

Or you could ask your local firearms department. After all, it only really matters how they interpret the legislation.

No it doesn’t, it matters how a judge interprets it, FLDs sometimes get it wrong!

 

[Heym SR20]

To the OP, rather than asking an internet forum for their advice, it is much better to go straight to the Firearms Act, read it, and then make your own decision based on the act.

Key part is copied below. Full act is here

Firearms Act 1968

An Act to consolidate the Firearms Acts 1937 and 1965, the Air Guns and Shot Guns, etc. , Act 1962, Part V of the Criminal Justice Act 1967 and certain enactments amending the Firearms Act 1937.

www.legislation.gov.uk

F111AAuthorised lending and possession of firearms for hunting etc​

(1)A person (“the borrower”) may, without holding a certificate under this Act, borrow a rifle or shot gun from another person on private premises (“the lender”) and have the rifle or shot gun in his or her possession on those premises if—

(a)the four conditions set out in subsections (2) to (5) are met, and

(b)in the case of a rifle, the borrower is aged 17 or over.

(2)The first condition is that the borrowing and possession of the rifle or shot gun are for either or both of the following purposes—

(a)hunting animals or shooting game or vermin;

(b)shooting at artificial targets.

(3)The second condition is that the lender—

(a)is aged 18 or over,

(b)holds a certificate under this Act in respect of the rifle or shot gun, and

(c)is either—

(i)a person who has a right to allow others to enter the premises for the purposes of hunting animals or shooting game or vermin, or

(ii)a person who is authorised in writing by a person mentioned in sub-paragraph (i) to lend the rifle or shot gun on the premises (whether generally or to persons specified in the authorisation who include the borrower).

(4)The third condition is that the borrower's possession and use of the rifle or shot gun complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the lender's certificate under this Act.

(5)The fourth condition is that, during the period for which the rifle or shot gun is borrowed, the borrower is in the presence of the lender or—

(a)where a rifle is borrowed, a person who, although not the lender, is aged 18 or over, holds a certificate under this Act in respect of that rifle and is a person described in subsection (3)(c)(i) or (ii);

(b)where a shot gun is borrowed, a person who, although not the lender, is aged 18 or over, holds a certificate under this Act in respect of that shot gun or another shot gun and is a person described in subsection (3)(c)(i) or (ii).

(6)Where a rifle is borrowed on any premises in reliance on subsection (1), the borrower may, without holding a firearm certificate, purchase or acquire ammunition on the premises, and have the ammunition in his or her possession on those premises for the period for which the firearm is borrowed, if—

(a)the ammunition is for use with the firearm,

(b)the lender's firearm certificate authorises the lender to have in his or her possession during that period ammunition of a quantity not less than that purchased or acquired by, and in the possession of, the borrower, and

(c)the borrower's possession and use of the ammunition complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the certificate.]

 

[teflon]

If it looks like i'm playing devils advocate here it's not intentional. The wording"(5)The fourth condition is that, during the period for which the rifle or shot gun is borrowed, the borrower is in the presence of the lender or—", has anyone ever nailed this down? ive had various explanations of this from FEO's, RFD's and experienced shooters and they all vary from standing next to the lender to being within sight/earshot.

 

[VSS]

If it looks like i'm playing devils advocate here it's not intentional. The wording"(5)The fourth condition is that, during the period for which the rifle or shot gun is borrowed, the borrower is in the presence of the lender or—", has anyone ever nailed this down? ive had various explanations of this from FEO's, RFD's and experienced shooters and they all vary from standing next to the lender to being within sight/earshot.

If you'd been a member of this site for long enough you'd know that within radio contact is sufficient......

 

[Rake Aboot]

Rods / Backs

Amazing that folk air this type of thing and dinnae just get on wi it

 

[Steve WY]

Morning all
Many thanks for all the replies and advice, much appreciated . We ended up putting the NV on a sub 12FPE air rifle so no dramas, worked well too!.
Atb
Steve

 

[dvbookshop]

Morning all
Hopefully some kind sole could offer some advice .
A friend has a permission which he shoots day time only and clears the odd rabbit or two, however he would now like to give night shooting a go but at the moment doesn’t have a NV scope. I have a .22 LR with NV set up and would happily lend him this provided of course that this would be legal and above board, my concern is that at the moment I have a closed ticket ( his is open) so the question is can he borrow my rifle to use on his perm?.

The easy solution would of course to just lend him my NV scope but that would then mean me having to teach him how to set up and use the scope and also having to re- zero back onto my rifle.

Many thanks in advance.

Even if you were with him the rifle could only be used in accordance with the conditions on your certificate.

 

[willie_gunn]

To the OP, rather than asking an internet forum for their advice, it is much better to go straight to the Firearms Act, read it, and then make your own decision based on the act.

Key part is copied below. Full act is here

Firearms Act 1968

An Act to consolidate the Firearms Acts 1937 and 1965, the Air Guns and Shot Guns, etc. , Act 1962, Part V of the Criminal Justice Act 1967 and certain enactments amending the Firearms Act 1937.

www.legislation.gov.uk

F111AAuthorised lending and possession of firearms for hunting etc​

(1)A person (“the borrower”) may, without holding a certificate under this Act, borrow a rifle or shot gun from another person on private premises (“the lender”) and have the rifle or shot gun in his or her possession on those premises if—

(a)the four conditions set out in subsections (2) to (5) are met, and

(b)in the case of a rifle, the borrower is aged 17 or over.

(2)The first condition is that the borrowing and possession of the rifle or shot gun are for either or both of the following purposes—

(a)hunting animals or shooting game or vermin;

(b)shooting at artificial targets.

(3)The second condition is that the lender—

(a)is aged 18 or over,

(b)holds a certificate under this Act in respect of the rifle or shot gun, and

(c)is either—

(i)a person who has a right to allow others to enter the premises for the purposes of hunting animals or shooting game or vermin, or

(ii)a person who is authorised in writing by a person mentioned in sub-paragraph (i) to lend the rifle or shot gun on the premises (whether generally or to persons specified in the authorisation who include the borrower).

(4)The third condition is that the borrower's possession and use of the rifle or shot gun complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the lender's certificate under this Act.

(5)The fourth condition is that, during the period for which the rifle or shot gun is borrowed, the borrower is in the presence of the lender or—

(a)where a rifle is borrowed, a person who, although not the lender, is aged 18 or over, holds a certificate under this Act in respect of that rifle and is a person described in subsection (3)(c)(i) or (ii);

(b)where a shot gun is borrowed, a person who, although not the lender, is aged 18 or over, holds a certificate under this Act in respect of that shot gun or another shot gun and is a person described in subsection (3)(c)(i) or (ii).

(6)Where a rifle is borrowed on any premises in reliance on subsection (1), the borrower may, without holding a firearm certificate, purchase or acquire ammunition on the premises, and have the ammunition in his or her possession on those premises for the period for which the firearm is borrowed, if—

(a)the ammunition is for use with the firearm,

(b)the lender's firearm certificate authorises the lender to have in his or her possession during that period ammunition of a quantity not less than that purchased or acquired by, and in the possession of, the borrower, and

(c)the borrower's possession and use of the ammunition complies with any conditions as to those matters specified in the certificate.]

Or just read the more user-friendly summary provided by BASC:

Borrowing rifles on private premises

Explaining the law around what you can and can't do when it comes to borrowing a rifle for use on private premises.

basc.org.uk

 

[NullMac]

Rods / Backs

Amazing that folk air this type of thing and dinnae just get on wi it

Never happened officer...

 

[Rake Aboot]

Never happened officer...

Exactomundo

 

[EssBee]

Qs. Is land cleared for calibre?
The landowner is OK with the situation that the gun's owner will not be shooting.

Check with BASC that's what you pay your membership fees for!!

 

[Chris1]

If in doubt give BASC a call. They'll give you good legal advice..assuming you're a member.. or as above, speak to your FAO.

 

[GlennUK]

If you'd been a member of this site for long enough you'd know that within radio contact is sufficient......

SW/LW/Microwave?