Community Larder
- Thread starter Dan Newcombe
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So its just a chiller then ? You are expecting the deer to be lardered before it gets there ? I am paying £200 +£5 p.c. just to chill the deer.
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Dan Newcombe
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Essentially yes - it means you can shoot bucks in the summer and for a lot of people means they can actually handle red deer and it also provides a facility where you can actually sell carcasses. £200 is 10 roe in a year and then you have covered it.
We hear a lot of stalkers complaining that they would shoot more deer (which is badly needed) if they had access to facilities - this is how you get the facility, what’s their other option, set themselves up?
Not expecting it to be lardered, expecting it to be gralloched properly to try and minimise waste.
Dan Newcombe
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And this is why these things don’t happen - as per usual the issue is actually the fact that a lot of stalkers can’t be relied on to actually do what they should be doing unfortunately.
Leec6.5
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To be fair you couldn’t run a coke fridge for £200 a year!
My walk in costs me £25 a week (£3.50 a day) when in continuous use which i don't think is too bad considering the size of it.
Freeforester
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Just to add one more:
If the chiller breaks down, it tends to be when it is working hardest (ie not in the midst of winter, when it is actually hardly required anyway), and when the fridge engineer is at his busiest. Forewarned is forearmed!
More generally, depending on the objective, increasing the roebuck cull may (or indeed may not) be a laudable ’aim’ - there is a demonstrable “cause/effect” relationship at work when ‘churn’ is created in new plantations - the incoming aspirant territorial bucks create havoc as/when the territorial animal is removed, whereas leaving the territorial incumbent animal to police, patrol and eject these ‘young bucks’ actually results in reduced damage to vulnerable plants overall; this is too often overlooked, though there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate it does indeed follow, and the phenomena can be readily enough shown; but as we know also, female population reduction is the only real means of impacting on the population as a whole, and it’s been my experience that the majority of recreational stalkers do not find sufficient time to make a meaningful impact in this respect, whether chilling facilities are or aren’t made available, though you may have a more committed group locally.
Freeforester
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This^ (pre this coming year of electricity price hikes, starting October; I’d hate to think what the rate will be by April 2023)
I had 50% local government grant for my set up. That was towards buying the unit, installation, fitting out, purchase of larder equipment, etc.
Freeforester
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“Wonder what they mean by a “small grant”? As in what percentage of £30K?”
- I got some advice about flooring requirements from local EHO upon my asking, but built and paid for everything myself, there is/was no such grant aid available to non-farming individuals back then.
Almost every way you look at it, the game dealer holds the cards, and gains from others providing the energy, raw material and its procurement costs, the cost of set up and ongoing operational costs of such chilling facilities, and a reduced round mileage for his/her acquisition of the venison, and all at a pittance per kilo. If, OTOH you’re the GD, what’s not to like?!
- I got some advice about flooring requirements from local EHO upon my asking, but built and paid for everything myself, there is/was no such grant aid available to non-farming individuals back then.
Almost every way you look at it, the game dealer holds the cards, and gains from others providing the energy, raw material and its procurement costs, the cost of set up and ongoing operational costs of such chilling facilities, and a reduced round mileage for his/her acquisition of the venison, and all at a pittance per kilo. If, OTOH you’re the GD, what’s not to like?!
I'm pretty sure that you'll find similar schemes in other parts of the UK. It was a local project to support small food businesses.Got to loveCommunismWelsh politics
As soon as I see the word 'community'...........Got to loveCommunismWelsh politics
Leec6.5
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Their costs are massive!Perhaps we are starting to see the hidden costs associated with AGHE's
Just labour and running costs alone will be eye watering let alone cash flow and all the rest of it!
On top of that a heap of hormonal stalkers moaning about the poor carcass price
I wouldn't want it thats for sure!
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Dan Newcombe
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Thought that I would put an update on this - totally ground to a halt because the grant funding that is described as being for community larders is actually only 50% and essentially for businesses so we would have been looking at private funding for capital works of circa £30k.
Apparently also there has been very little uptake and the applications are currently closed. Hardly surprising that there’s not much uptake - where is anyone meant to make any money with a community larder to claw back £30k plus interest.
Surely they would be better off fully funding fewer projects and actually making a difference?
Apparently also there has been very little uptake and the applications are currently closed. Hardly surprising that there’s not much uptake - where is anyone meant to make any money with a community larder to claw back £30k plus interest.
Surely they would be better off fully funding fewer projects and actually making a difference?
That's a real shame - a larder around your area would have been really useful
GThomson
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Great idea and something we have talked about where I stay. Setup is expensive though so maybe a group of you could get together to fund it. I think the rest (ie legislation etc) can be sorted providing the people using the facility are good types!
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