Covid 19 number juggling?

[FrenchieBoy]

I have been questioning the way the numbers given out by the government for deaths from Covid 19 and now something has just come to light which sort of supports my suspicions!
Our oldest son has just phoned for a general chat and told us about the mother of a friend of his. (I have to say that I didn't know the friend) By all accounts the mother of his friend was taken into hospital for her "dying days suffering with cancer" - Because of this the family never expected her to come out! She died a couple of days later FROM HER CANCER. However when they saw the death certificate they put the cause of death as "Covid 19". (The family of the mother are seriously questioning this with the hospital and are asking to see any test results)
If this is happening regularly throughout the country it really does leave the government's death rate figures somewhat questionable!

 

[Woodsmoke]

I don't believe a damn thing we're being told about it, to be honest. Not a damn thing. Something about this entire affair stinks like a month-old haddock

 

[Rob1562]

The recently released figures show that during the Covid period there have been 50000 more deaths than would have been expected in that same period (measured against previous years data).
I think that shows that a lot of people are dying of things that aren't being recorded as Covid......during the last two weeks we've lost mother and father in law. Both tested negative for Covid but both died on the Covid ward of pneumonia/heart failure......a little iffy to me ?
A friend who works in social services says that doctors (in her region) are either attributing everything remotely related to Covid as a Covid death or completely the opposite, so I guess we'll never know the truth !
Regards, Rob.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Sorry to hear about your loss Rob, you and your family have my deepest sympathies. The "situation" with your late MIL and FIL really does go to show that we are right to question the figures that we are being given. I will not deny that this Covid 19 thing is a very real threat to life and very worrying for some. I spent Saturday night and most of Sunday in Fairfield Hospital, nothing Covid related but I was tested for Covid at the same time and the results came back negative. One of the nurses on the "Majors" ward came to give me an ECG and didn't have protective gloves on - She was a little "taken aback" when I asked her if she would mind putting protective gloves on before she touched me!
I personally believe (Rightly or wrongly) that this "number juggling" is being done to instill the fear factor to make us obey the lockdown rules.

 

[Rob1562]

Thanks FB.
I'm really perplexed with the whole numbers game and I think it does the Govt's case no good when they have to be fairly vague as i think they aren't quite as well informed as they would have us believe and have erred on the cautious side (quite rightly).
Funnily enough Brother in law and Sister in law got tested as they wanted to go see Mother before she died and wanted to be sure they didn't take anything into the hospital. (both told porkies on the Govt website to get a test). Both had absolutely no symptoms, and bugger me if they didn't both test positive !
Both are key workers and both had been at work since the start and are now isolating at home.
Confused......me too.
Regards, Rob.

 

[Fair Hill]

A nurse wearing gloves is not safer for you or anyone else than a nurse not wearing gloves when it comes to Covid 19.

The nurse would know this.

 

[Grannysmith]

They treat us like mushrooms
Kept in the dark and fed on bullshot

 

[Klenchblaize]

The only numbers that matter now are as follows:

00:01hrs
13.05.20

I'm going to wait until 14.05.20 so not trampled in the rush!

K

 

[mealiejimmy]

Whilst there will inevitably be a few reporting errors when it comes to cause of death in the current situation, the excess of 50,000 deaths does rather indicate that those who said (and still say) that Covid-19 was no worse than the flu were talking utter pish.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Jamouk]

Ive heard that if you have had the flu jab (please dont) you will test positive for covid

 

[palmer_mike]

Ive heard that if you have had the flu jab (please dont) you will test positive for covid

I have a very good friend who had the flu jab this year and tested negative for Covid recently (despite having mild symptoms Of something similar)

 

[Lateral]

I have been questioning the way the numbers given out by the government for deaths from Covid 19 and now something has just come to light which sort of supports my suspicions!
Our oldest son has just phoned for a general chat and told us about the mother of a friend of his. (I have to say that I didn't know the friend) By all accounts the mother of his friend was taken into hospital for her "dying days suffering with cancer" - Because of this the family never expected her to come out! She died a couple of days later FROM HER CANCER. However when they saw the death certificate they put the cause of death as "Covid 19". (The family of the mother are seriously questioning this with the hospital and are asking to see any test results)
If this is happening regularly throughout the country it really does leave the government's death rate figures somewhat questionable!

The only issue I have with your assumption, is that the higher the death toll. the worse it looks for the government. I can't see how it would be in their interest to have the figures increased, when if anything, you would expect the opposite ?

Or, is there some conspiracy theory, where the NHS are artificially inflating the numbers ????

 

[FrenchieBoy]

I have a very good friend who had the flu jab this year and tested negative for Covid recently (despite having mild symptoms Of something similar)

Maybe in some cases but both the wife and I had our flu jabs but I still tested negative. Maybe it differs from one person to another.

 

[palmer_mike]

Maybe in some cases but both the wife and I had our flu jabs but I still tested negative. Maybe it differs from one person to another.

Or maybe it doesn’t happen at all, unless you have had a flu jab AND got Covid!

 

[eggy74]

so little information given (or even asked for by the hopeless media) on so many factors
my conclusion is that the gov dont want us knowing anything as the truth will generate panic
so the outlook in general must be pretty bad

 

[Fair Hill]

I'm in Ireland and not totally up to speed how the figures are being recorded in UK but I was under the impression from speaking to people I know in the UK that the fatalities in nursing homes due to Covid 19 in UK were not being included in the announced figures. Can anyone actually confirm this or correct it?

The amount of deaths recorded in Ireland in nursing homes are thought to be between 1/2 to 2/3rds of all recorded Covid 19 deaths, 90% of all fatalities in Ireland were over 65 years of age with a huge amount of those over 85 years old.

If the nursing home figures in UK are not being included then there is a lot of number juggling going on alright.

 

[palmer_mike]

I'm in Ireland and not totally up to speed how the figures are being recorded in UK but I was under the impression from speaking to people I know in the UK that the fatalities in nursing homes due to Covid 19 in UK were not being included in the announced figures. Can anyone actually confirm this or correct it?

The amount of deaths recorded in Ireland in nursing homes are thought to be between 1/2 to 2/3rds of all recorded Covid 19 deaths, 90% of all fatalities in Ireland were over 65 years of age with a huge amount of those over 85 years old.

If the nursing home figures in UK are not being included then there is a lot of number juggling going on alright.

Nursing home deaths are now being recorded as part of the daily total

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Nursing home deaths are now being recorded as part of the daily total

However they did say this afternoon that those figures included "suspected but not tested or confirmed" Covid related deaths, so really speaking we are still not being given anywhere near accurate figures! Do the government think that we are all as thick of two short planks?

 

[kes]

Deaths are now quoted 'from all sources', i.e. including nursing homes which was not the case at the start of all this. I dont see how anyone can be correct about the figures unless every dead person is tested for Covid-19. Anyone who has had pneumonia/respiratory disease may well attract a death cert - 'from Covid 19'.
I well remember my dad dying in hospital and the recorded reason being questioned as it was the time of the superbug. As he was just one person, 84 and dead - it hardly mattered what he had died from, no-one was going to accept he should not have died - you just live with it.
I simply don't trust people these days and making a case for increased investment in the NHS now, is just as likely as falsifying reasons for death to cover the extent of the then superbug crisis, which the Government knew was happening as the request for my opinion came from the Dept of Health.
The alternative explanation of higher than reasonable figures is professional incompetence and no-one wants to believe that. I hope someone checks though after all this, as Shipman slipped under the net with no pandemic. It happens too often sadly.

 

[zambezi]

Whilst there will inevitably be a few reporting errors when it comes to cause of death in the current situation, the excess of 50,000 deaths does rather indicate that those who said (and still say) that Covid-19 was no worse than the flu were talking utter pish.

Cheers

Bruce

The UK has had 32k deaths attributed to C-19 as at today. Is your "50,000" anticipating a final UK death count?

Each season of flu has a different impact. And many deaths that are a function of flu go unreported. But stats globally peg flu deaths at 0.1-0.2% of population.

The UK has a population of 66m. 0.2% of 66m is 132,000.

Declaring that deaths [currently] attributed to C-19 remain in the same order of magnitude as seasonal flu is measurably true and not a matter of opinion.

Obviously we are not through this yet, and C-19 may not have "a season" as does a typical flu outbreak. What cannot be said is that this is the plague-like scourge that Imperial College predicted. Those numbers have not happened.