DMQ Aw Re brief

[bottletopbill]

Trickyd66
I completed my DCS1 but done a NGO one day course for my trained hunter ID number plus a lot cheaper.

OK it is up to every stalker which way they go

 

[Trickyd66]

Trickyd66
I completed my DCS1 but done a NGO one day course for my trained hunter ID number plus a lot cheaper.

OK it is up to every stalker which way they go

Ditto... but BDS & Lantra. I've No need to do DSC2 unless I wanted to work in the industry.

 

[FISH BOY]

Is Rachel from accounts in charge?

Big shame that so many knowledgeable folk might give notice if this isn’t sorted.

 

[Huntersforge]

I’ve a feeling this could be DMQs “ratner” moment

 

[Selous]

Haven’t received the email yet

 

[finnbear270]

I’ve a feeling this could be DMQs “ratner” moment

Good chat with you Friday, seems many are in agreement with this subject.Ste.

 

[Huntersforge]

The pinch point seems to be the fee rather than the actual teams meeting / re brief.
Time will tell on how it pans out for them further down the line I suppose .

 

[wytonpjs]

Haven’t received the email yet

Same

 

[8x57]

As an outsider with absolutely no personal interest in the matter I'm just wondering what's the thinking of the DMQ organisation to make all these changes and apparently to alienate so many that have freely and willingly given so much to stalking. What's the rationale behind it?

 

[TonyC]

As an outsider with absolutely no personal interest in the matter I'm just wondering what's the thinking of the DMQ organisation to make all these changes and apparently to alienate so many that have freely and willingly given so much to stalking. What's the rationale behind it?

perhaps they do not have the ability or foresight to understand the term "unintended consequences"

 

[bottletopbill]

As with shooting it is money making yet again.
Did not know AW are not paid this makes the situation worse.

I never needed a AW but thank you on behalf of all the other's who you have helped on there stalking journey.

 

[willie_gunn]

As with shooting it is money making yet again.
Did not know AW are not paid this makes the situation worse.

I never needed a AW but thank you on behalf of all the other's who you have helped on there stalking journey.

The AW role is entirely voluntary. Some AW’s charge a fee for witnessing, some don’t.

 

[bottletopbill]

willie-runn Thank you for correcting me on my previous comments.

So why is DSC2 so costly when it is only ticking boxes and issuing a certificate.
And AW do most of the work some for a fee other's are free.

 

[sikamalc]

As has been mentioned, being an AW is voluntary.
I don't charge, but as I am full time self employed deer stalker, I charge for any outing fee. I have bills to pay.

The old portfolio system would take at least 90 minutes to complete. Now it's mostly tick box and the candidate does not get to see it or the Aws summary.
The previous system was open to abuse and was easily forged. The current system is a lot better.

 

[willie_gunn]

willie-runn Thank you for correcting me on my previous comments.

So why is DSC2 so costly when it is only ticking boxes and issuing a certificate.
And AW do most of the work some for a fee other's are free.

It is a lot more than “only ticking boxes”.

The concept of DSC2 is that the Candidate is being observed and assessed against a defined standard. This requires them to agree on the cull plan, identify which animals are on the list for culling, identify, stalk and cull a specified animal, complete a post-cull evaluation and inspection of the animal, transport it hygenically to the larder, larder the animal and complete the relevant records.

The AW is then observing the Candidate throughout the Witnessed stalk, making sure each of the Performance Criteria is met.

This can be a pretty intensive process, both for the Candidate and for the AW.

Afterwards there is an ICR and narrative to complete, and an interview between the Assessor and both the Candidate and the AW.

In addition, there can often be quite a bit of prep work to evaluate the Candidate and ensure they are suitably prepared for the Witnessed stalk.

 

[cjm1066]

Sikamalc is correct the paper work is box ticking and a lot easier to complete with one narrative.

Willie_gunn details the standards

 

[Donkey Basher]

How necessary is the debrief, ie how significant & important is it that you get the ‘new knowledge’ if there is a two year window for attending the online training?

I totally understand the views of those saying it is wrong to make a volunteer pay for their training, as per the Hants Police/BDS HAD training qualification, it is simply bad drills.

Seems that DMQ have responded to the rise of PDS by adopting their model of making money rather than sticking to delivering a solid qualification using the best qualified people.

RIP DMQ.

 

[David Barker]

Well i have been an AW for more years than i can count i have been an assessor for 11 years and i just decided to shut it down. No more helping DMQ there on there own.

 

[bottletopbill]

Come on guys we can see where this is going

Just a thought why cant all the folks who have been doing this for years form a deer training group that looks after stalkers as every thing else seems to be money minded .
And do your own training as thing seem to be getting tougher in getting a license and training certificates as required now days.

 

[sikamalc]

Come on guys we can see where this is going

Just a thought why cant all the folks who have been doing this for years form a deer training group that looks after stalkers as every thing else seems to be money minded .
And do your own training as thing seem to be getting tougher in getting a license and training certificates as required now days.

Not as easy as one may think. I am not sure where this PDS thing originated from. It seemed to have appeared like a mushroom overnight. And with some people running it who I would classify as not having enough experience. That's my personal opinion, and no reflection on any particular individual.

Where DMQ are going at present is anyone's guess. Personally I have NOT received any Email, yet. And if I do, I have decided to resign from it. I have nothing to gain by it, or anything to loose. I guess we will see what comes out in the wash, so to speak.