No, it’s not at all. We expect the DSC instructor to assess the simulated stalk part, so why not the target/shooting part?
Because it is then no longer an objective test. Human behaviour is that everyone that is close, will want a remark and argue. So it has to be in the exact target
Why is that any different to the simulated stalk part?
Because that cannot be anything other than subjective and they are usually so obvious as to be effectively objective.
If that’s the case make the circle visible - if it’s the circle that’s the measure of a pass fail….why the need to hide it?
It isn’t hidden, everyone can see the target up close before you shoot when the circle is readily defined. You don’t need to see the circle from 100m providing you have figured out where in relation to front leg and spine/sternum you just plonk the bullets in one after the other. If you are really canny you figure out that the circle is centred on the A4 target insert and pop a shot in the middle of that then aim at your bullet hole for the second shot…… or if you are mega cocky adjust your turrets so you can aim at the bottom left corner of the target insert and have the bullet hit 10.5cm right and 13cm high which should centre your group. No need to see the circle at all! And as Buchan has said the bullets don’t lie and everyone knows what is expected of them. Adding a fudge factor of “well it’s a dead deer” does no one any favours at all !!
So it’s a memory test of where the circle is then huh?
Well the old test did pretty much that. 3 shots at a clearly defined 4" target and then 6 into a clearly recognisable roe target.
Which was fine - as it was clearly defined…not hidden.
Yes of course its a memory test just like when shooting at the internal organs of a deer! Its a very very easy concept..... if scoring is "inward" and the line is broken by the bullet hole it counts as in and if it lies outside the circle but doesn't break the line it counts as out! With outward scoring if the bullet touches the line it counts as out. I'm not sure what DMQ specifies to be honest but I would assume inward scoring. Cant see any reason for confusion myself and it is as objective a test as you can possibly create as a bullet that lands outside the circle but doesn't cut the line is a fail!! There is no room for subjectivity and yes if your bullet fails to cut the line by 1mm you have failed! Next time do the test better!
You just said you’re not sure if inward or outward scoring - that’s subjectivity right there!
Not subjective at all, there should be a defined ruling on how the test is scored provided by DMQ, I just dont know it so wont feed the forum a pile of BS and I cant be bothered to contact DMQ to check. We are going to have to disagree as there is a defined objective standard to be met where the bullets have to hit within the zone defined by the circle that is centred reasonably accurately on the desired kill zone in the chest. It is not a hard standard to achieve. What you suggest with the criteria being to hit an anatomically significant region would allow passes from candidates that shot at the chest and hit the neck, head, lungs, spine, liver, kidneys etc....."Well its a dead deer!" Perhaps yes it is but it is no test of marksmanship. Have you had difficulty passing the test? just wondering why you are promoting such a subjective standard?
I like that idea
It's interesting to note how many experienced stalkers fail the test, and how many complete novices (some who have never fired a rifle before) pass at the first attempt.
If it’s a marksmanship test why not just have a defined 4” circle?
