timbrayford
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Actually the courses are worth doing anyway however a couple of my stalking friends are more enthusiastic about the new lantra backed PDS qualifications
DSC required ?
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We need more people getting into shooting generally and stalking specifically.
Exactly. The number of people who've said to me that they'd like to get into deer stalking (and the number of similar intros on here) is significant. But so what. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean everyone should lay down the red carpet.
We need more people who are dedicated to effective deer management. We need more young people. We need, dare I say it!, more women. I'm am totally pro getting more people into to this work.
Meanwhile the Police have to do their duty of distinguishing between those who are going to cull deer and those who want the cachet of polishing their deer rifle and telling people they have an open ticket.
Believe it or not £300 is a barrier for some people, it’s the cost of a basic stalking set up, or should stalking be only for the have’s rather than the have not’s?
As for the the last paragraph you’re not really right there either, the police are only there to establish good reason, suitable experience, required security and no relevant health conditions. If you only go and shoot one deer a year that is good reason.
nun_hunter
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£300 or not, the shooting test isn't really indicative of how good a shot someone is and likewise the brief couple of deer targets you look at and say if they're safe or not aren't exactly complicated.
I get why the police use it, it's a simple way to tick a box and pass the blame onto someone else if something goes wrong but the standard is very low.
The rest of DSC1 is useful if you're interested in shooting deer yourself and wanting to sell to a game dealer or home consumption but this shouldn't really be a concern of the police, otherwise they'd also be insisting on those selling carcasses to be registered as a food business too.
I get why the police use it, it's a simple way to tick a box and pass the blame onto someone else if something goes wrong but the standard is very low.
The rest of DSC1 is useful if you're interested in shooting deer yourself and wanting to sell to a game dealer or home consumption but this shouldn't really be a concern of the police, otherwise they'd also be insisting on those selling carcasses to be registered as a food business too.
Lots have £300.00 knives sitting in their draw but the old culture of starting from the bottom gaining experience on other quarry is so often by-passed these days with only wanting to shoot deer.
In other sports people train and give up lots of other stuff to get the hours under their belts.
It has drifted into an "activity" over the last few years. Look at all the Olympic achievements you don't get that far rocking up twice a year.
Foxyboy43
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“should stalking be only for the have’s rather than the have not’s?”
Hmmm.
I am old enough to remember when deerstalking was very much the preserve of the “haves” indeed I can still recall being told by a particularly odious BDS creep that “I have three deer rifles but you will never get even one” and this at a time when only farmers could get a humble .22! The fact that he was an arrogant and utterly supercilious German didn’t help but there and then I decided that Herr Diehl’s statement was one that I would put every effort into proving wrong. Some years later and without the help of any organisation or a DSC I got my first deer rifle but only after writing to the Chief Constable telling him his force’s policy was wrong and explaining why.
Sometime, somewhere, not on this earth, I shall see that individual and take great pleasure in relating my many deerstalking trips - mit mein own rifle!
This is the crux of these threads. It is NOT legal for additional training to be imposed on applicants, regardless of how advantageous the training itself may be. I have no argument whatsoever with DSC, but demands from FEOs during the application must be challenged or it makes everyone's life more difficult
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Foxyboy43
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Rake Aboot
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Don’t you mean many questions answered that saved folk doing dsc1 ?
It’s worthless compared to getting out and doing a bit stalking. I actually think it’s pretty worthless in any case
I didn't mean that because, as we all have seen, there are very few questions asked here that get a consistent answer.
Rake Aboot
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Ahh so the dsc answers are always the right ones and this forum can’t answer questions lol
Sorry. I’ll stick with my version
Sorry. I’ll stick with my version
timbrayford
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Good effort, however to be realistic the more of a have not you are the more effort you have to make honing your interpersonal skills and helping out those who are in a position to do you a favour“should stalking be only for the have’s rather than the have not’s?”
Hmmm.
I am old enough to remember when deerstalking was very much the preserve of the “haves” indeed I can still recall being told by a particularly odious BDS creep that “I have three deer rifles but you will never get even one” and this at a time when only farmers could get a humble .22! The fact that he was an arrogant and utterly supercilious German didn’t help but there and then I decided that Herr Diehl’s statement was one that I would put every effort into proving wrong. Some years later and without the help of any organisation or a DSC I got my first deer rifle but only after writing to the Chief Constable telling him his force’s policy was wrong and explaining why.
Sometime, somewhere, not on this earth, I shall see that individual and take great pleasure in relating my many deerstalking trips - mit mein own rifle!
Rake Aboot
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He will want to see dsc1 ?
What a joke. You really need to tell him to just do his job and not bother with all that garbage.
There is no requirement for it , no need for it and he certainly doesn’t need to see it
Whilst there is no legal standing for he requirement if DSC1, or any other ‘qualification’ for that matter, as stressed many times above, obtaining DSC1 could be used by any applicant as evidence of ‘good reason’ to support their application.
Unfortunately many constabularies make it up as they go along with little or no regard to legislation, and in many cases seem to burden themselves with unnecessary work.
One constabulary has even stipulated, an issue covered in another thread, that a particular course provided by a particular provider was necessary prior to granting a SGC, at least you don’t have to face that battle as well.
Unfortunately many constabularies make it up as they go along with little or no regard to legislation, and in many cases seem to burden themselves with unnecessary work.
One constabulary has even stipulated, an issue covered in another thread, that a particular course provided by a particular provider was necessary prior to granting a SGC, at least you don’t have to face that battle as well.
