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JTO said:
Traded in before the warranty runs out, or company cars, or leased vehicles?
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The EV is on a business lease via the company due to the low BIK tax.

Other than that, I have always bought only second hand cars, typically 2-4 years old, fully paid upfront, and kept them for between 3 and 9 years. I have never leased a car before in my life, nor have I ever bought a brand new car before. Again, if it wasn't for the tax benefit, I would have probably not opted for a new car this time as well.

Correction: my wife bought a brand new Toyota back in 1997, and we kept it for 23(!) years.
 
JTO said:
Never tried to sell a second-hand EV, then!
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No, and I won't be trying either, because the car is on a 4-year lease and will go back to the finance provider at the end of the lease period.

I imagine that someone will bag a cracking deal on it when the lease provider offloads it - I am taking very good care of it.
 
I saw my first Lynk & Co SUV as it was parked next to me today I only noticed after reversing out the strange chrome Lynk & Co logo (all SUVs look the same to an old body designer) it was on a Munich reg plate, I had never heard of them before. Seems to be owned by Geely chinese ala Volvo & Polestar.
 
markj1 said:
5 cars in the past 10 years. That's in our household (myself and family - we share the cars). I now have a Hyundai EV. Why?
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Just wondering as the norm these days is to for car companies to sell under A PCP scheme which encourages changing the car for a new one every 3 or 4 years.
So in our family we’ve had 7 (8 including my youngest)
Mine which I’ve had for 12yrs.
My wife has had 3, an 08 plate which she kept for 4yrs then 14 plate again for 4yrs and now a 68 plate in its second year.
My eldest daughter had an 03 plate which went for scrap at 15yrs old, a 64 plate which went up in flames due to an electrical fault whilst in the fast lane of the southbound M6 just south of Preston which she replaced with a 68 plate.
My youngest only passed her test last year and is driving a 68 plate.

None of us can’t afford av EV and certainly don’t want to be replacing cars when old ones will do.
In buying a secondhand car the production emissions are already discounted as opposed to a new EV.
When is the balance point between a secondhand i.c.e. and a new EV and how many people keep their EVs beyond that point?
 
LuckyEddie said:
Just wondering as the norm these days is to for car companies to sell under A PCP scheme which encourages changing the car for a new one every 3 or 4 years.
So in our family we’ve had 7 (8 including my youngest)
Mine which I’ve had for 12yrs.
My wife has had 3, an 08 plate which she kept for 4yrs then 14 plate again for 4yrs and now a 68 plate in its second year.
My eldest daughter had an 03 plate which went for scrap at 15yrs old, a 64 plate which went up in flames due to an electrical fault whilst in the fast lane of the southbound M6 just south of Preston which she replaced with a 68 plate.
My youngest only passed her test last year and is driving a 68 plate.

None of us can’t afford av EV and certainly don’t want to be replacing cars when old ones will do.
In buying a secondhand car the production emissions are already discounted as opposed to a new EV.
When is the balance point between a secondhand i.c.e. and a new EV and how many people keep their EVs beyond that point?
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See also my post #101.

The reason that the EV is new is because it's a business lease and you can only get the tax benefit when leasing a brand new car. Otherwise I would have bought second hand as I always did.

BTW, I leased it for the longest period possible (4 years).
 
A buddy had a bump in his 4 month old Hyundi EV. The damage was primarily the B pillar, but a 5 mph bump tbh. In normal circumstances, it would have been pulled and adjusted (the doors closed fine etc).
The car was written off due to the unknown potential damaged done to the batteries.


I also read a trade paper for insurance procedures for EV if damaged - leave a minimum of 4m space around all sides of the vehicle whilst in for repairs...
 
dropmdead said:
A buddy had a bump in his 4 month old Hyundi EV. The damage was primarily the B pillar, but a 5 mph bump tbh. In normal circumstances, it would have been pulled and adjusted (the doors closed fine etc).
The car was written off due to the unknown potential damaged done to the batteries.
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child labour is an awkward one, if the kids cant mine how should they earn money? yes it would be lovely if all kids played in the parks and got a great education but the worlds not like that. for young girls the jobs would be pretty grim I think part of the issue is that it often the case...
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Border said:
Er, no.
Just selling EV.
8 out of 10 new cars now are EV here.
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i assume your infrastructure is better then in U.K., I not sure how the terraced streets in the old mining community area are ever going to be suitable to charge your own car at home. Some people can’t even guarantee parking in the same street they live in.
 
Jon P said:
i assume your infrastructure is better then in U.K., I not sure how the terraced streets in the old mining community area are ever going to be suitable to charge your own car at home. Some people can’t even guarantee parking in the same street they live in.
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In London (Westminster) we have chargers in the lampposts (installed back in 2018). They are slow chargers, but can fully charge the car overnight.
 
markj1 said:
I think part of the issue is that it often the case that child labour is only raised in respect of EVs, which seems disingenuous - the problem is far bigger than that.

Child labour is almost the norm in many parts of the globe, many of the cheap garments people buy in markets and other places are made in sweatshops in Bangladesh and Vietnam etc, and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Personally, instead of widening the discussion to the merit (or lack of) of child labour, I would take a step back and ask the EV-bashing brigade : why raise this now?
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Probably because (for the time being) EVs are absolutely dependent on using materials which overwhelmingly are sourced from seriously unethical sources, whereas cars aren't. Sweatshops have fxxk all to do with it, and there is a major difference between children operating sewing machines and children performing dangerous mining operations with toxic chemicals.
 
markj1 said:
In London (Westminster) we have chargers in the lampposts (installed back in 2018). They are slow chargers, but can fully charge the car overnight.
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On street charging. Two of the founders are friends of mine. They are probably very disappointed that I drive a truck and have no interest in getting an EV.
 
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