Exactly, 95% of night shots are 150 or less, flat shooting silver dollars for minimal cost. Most people don't have several thousand dollar thermal scopes to dial long distances at night. Like I said him do him or you do you (now that you've added yourself) where ever you are from but driving around from place to place on a side by side on flat to gentle rolling terrain or setting up with a good rest and waiting for things to come into range with a good rest doesn't work in many places over here, all you'll achieve is shooting eff all whilst getting fat. If you want to be efficient and cost effective at pest control here you get a mid priced thermal monocular, spot a target then either shoot or walk if to far out then shoot with a little light setup like a ledlenser m7 (e.g) on your under barrel. Flat fast 17hmr with 20g pills or the wsm out to 150 are perfect. Wind no big deal, you deal with it like every other decent pest controller. The guy I was responding to must be in some marginal circles if all he sees is people having problems with the 17cals. It's sounds like a different planet to what people are doing sucessfully here, people who are doing it for a living and rely on kills for payment.