Finally...the tide of opinion is turning

Perhaps it is esier to digest the all-cause mortality stats when they are rendered graphically as a percentage of population.

It distills to this: all-cause mortality rates in England and Wales is demonstrably <2% population...since 1942...and including 2020. We know that because the government told us:


Essentially waterford103's point stands.

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It is amazing what you can do with some data graphical manipulation. From the link you supplied, here is a graph of the crude mortality rate per 100K for the last 10 years, no fiddling, just the raw numbers supplied by the ONS.


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The situation where it costs circa €19 per jab (excluding labour) for the experimental gene therapy jab:

View attachment 217166Its that good, they’re going to get given another booster one, ’free’ every year! Did anyone bother to mention that PCR test results have not differentiated between flu and Covid? Not that the test is of any meaningful use, apart from highlighting ’low’ Ct positives of the delta variant (the variant the experi-mental gene therapy jab doesn’t seem to prevent, but is helping to further evolve) of course… 🤔🤫😬😷
It seems as if there are more ACTUAL cases of this flu since the experimental gene altering jab was introduced . I think we all know by now that the PCR "test" is deeply flawed , even the inventor says so.
 
I found these of interest.....of course they could all be right wing nutjobs.





 
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It is amazing what you can do with some data graphical manipulation. From the link you supplied, here is a graph of the crude mortality rate per 100K for the last 10 years, no fiddling, just the raw numbers supplied by the ONS.


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Yup, you changed the scale, and dropped bad flu years of the 90s and before.

You do not dispute the headline surely? "<2% all-cause mortality every year including 2020"

Your graph is ALSO true, but masks the bigger truth: THIS virus is not of the same order as Spanish flu, or similar events since then.

In fact, your selective, zoomed-in graph is a metaphor for the amplification of the serious illness endured by the 0.1% who have needed medical intervention and whose estates are portrayed as the inevitable expectation of the majority...which it is not.

In all nations, approx 2 out of a 1000 succumb. The 80-year view my graph offers of the ONS data is a truer reflection of the majority situation.
 
Yup, you changed the scale, and dropped bad flu years of the 90s and before.
Indeed, that's what scales are for, to allow data to be correctly interpreted. For example if you had a graph showing the mass of the average banana and the mass of the average Toyota Hilux, but on a scale calibrated to the mass of the average neutron star, it would be very challenging to see that the truck and the banana are of different weights.

Similarly with the time scale, if you went back far enough, where antibiotics didn't exist and people regularly died of malnutrition and occasionally got eaten by wolves, you might be able to argue that Covid has actually decreased the all cause mortality. But that would be a ridiculous argument as you well know.

You do not dispute the headline surely? "<2% all-cause mortality every year including 2020"
Not at all. The important thing is not the absolute number, but the relative difference between years. Which you cannot see from your graph, because of your inappropriate scale.
Your graph is ALSO true, but masks the bigger truth: THIS virus is not of the same order as Spanish flu, or similar events since then
In fact, your selective, zoomed-in graph is a metaphor for the amplification of the serious illness endured by the 0.1% who have needed medical intervention and whose estates are portrayed as the inevitable expectation of the majority...which it is not.

In all nations, approx 2 out of a 1000 succumb. The 80-year view my graph offers of the ONS data is a truer reflection of the majority situation.
I'm making no comment about the clinical relevance of anything you showed in your graph, I'm simply commenting that your graph is misleading and badly presented.

Look, we clearly disagree about many aspects of Covid, but this is not about Covid as a disease at all. It is simply about your inability to accurately and honestly present data, to interpret it correctly and your constant endeavours to influence other peoples thinking based off of your own (often misguided) conclusions.
For any of the data in the link you provided to be accurately interpreted, it needs manipulation, such as for example (but I am no expert), say plotting a 5 year rolling average all cause mortality, displaying this over-laid on the current year on year mortality to allow realistic comparison in both relative death rates and their temporal relevance. Doing some statistical analysis would also be useful. But you haven't done that, you have presented a poorly formatted excel graph that is misleading and sloppy.

And I write this from my bench in an lung inflammation lab, where I'm getting increasingly frustrated with an experiment as I was hoping to go stalking tonight... fat chance. Hence the tone, sorry.

Anyway, I'm not getting into an argument about this. But occasionally I can't help but bite on some of your posts.
 
Indeed, that's what scales are for, to allow data to be correctly interpreted. For example if you had a graph showing the mass of the average banana and the mass of the average Toyota Hilux, but on a scale calibrated to the mass of the average neutron star, it would be very challenging to see that the truck and the banana are of different weights.

Similarly with the time scale, if you went back far enough, where antibiotics didn't exist and people regularly died of malnutrition and occasionally got eaten by wolves, you might be able to argue that Covid has actually decreased the all cause mortality. But that would be a ridiculous argument as you well know.


Not at all. The important thing is not the absolute number, but the relative difference between years. Which you cannot see from your graph, because of your inappropriate scale.


I'm making no comment about the clinical relevance of anything you showed in your graph, I'm simply commenting that your graph is misleading and badly presented.

Look, we clearly disagree about many aspects of Covid, but this is not about Covid as a disease at all. It is simply about your inability to accurately and honestly present data, to interpret it correctly and your constant endeavours to influence other peoples thinking based off of your own (often misguided) conclusions.
For any of the data in the link you provided to be accurately interpreted, it needs manipulation, such as for example (but I am no expert), say plotting a 5 year rolling average all cause mortality, displaying this over-laid on the current year on year mortality to allow realistic comparison in both relative death rates and their temporal relevance. Doing some statistical analysis would also be useful. But you haven't done that, you have presented a poorly formatted excel graph that is misleading and sloppy.

And I write this from my bench in an lung inflammation lab, where I'm getting increasingly frustrated with an experiment as I was hoping to go stalking tonight... fat chance. Hence the tone, sorry.

Anyway, I'm not getting into an argument about this. But occasionally I can't help but bite on some of your posts.
Don't underestimate zambezi's ability to ignore logic at all costs.
 
your graph, because of your inappropriate scale

Commentators around the globe, including physicians, quote the 2-in-1000 global mortality rate due to covid. It is a matter of CDC record.

That is a valid perspective, not a distortion of the truth.

A selective comparison of just five years will show differences of thousands [your graph] but that is irrelevant in the big picture.

If you want to post selectively, post the worst five.

If you want to compare the malaise of 2020/2021 with previous decades, compare against all years.

One other thing: when you drew your selective-years graph, you boasted it was drawn with "no fiddling". The graph I drew is the true representation of the same data. I do hope you are not trying to suggest otherwise.

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Don't underestimate zambezi's ability to ignore logic at all costs.
I agree. By your logic is why we have 5 million people locked up 22 hours a day so we don't overwhelm the health system.
Today I checked and we are down to one person in hospital with Covid. By your standards, this is completely logical as we can save just one life.

I personally hope this person pulls through like the thousands before them because this week our government just shelled out $367M in cash and they are proposing a lockdown for another week at the same amount.
If the hospitalizations get to zero while 5 million are locked up and the government shells out $1B cash of taxpayers money in 3 weeks your objective will be achieved.
 

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I agree. By your logic is why we have 5 million people locked up 22 hours a day so we don't overwhelm the health system.
Today I checked and we are down to one person in hospital with Covid. By your standards, this is completely logical as we can save just one life.

I personally hope this person pulls through like the thousands before them because this week our government just shelled out $367M in cash and they are proposing a lockdown for another week at the same amount.
If the hospitalizations get to zero while 5 million are locked up and the government shells out $1B cash of taxpayers money in 3 weeks your objective will be achieved.

Government stupidity knows no bounds. That’s just not right all that for so little the words lost the plot.
 
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