Generous Britain
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Don't forget what was sacrificed in ww2 by so many that we are free of those who whished to do us harm.Don't forget that a German and Greek family rules the country!
40 years ago today our lads and lasses were back defending the nation so those not born can enjoy a free life... Falkland's Anniversary
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Hayduke
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Sensitive flowerMaybe how you worded it then .”Explain yourself man “isn’t exactly polite now is it .
Take a breath ,chill with a glass then come back on when your a better person
Hayduke
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Migration boosts the working-age population. Migrants arrive with skills and contribute to human capital development of receiving countries and pay taxes. Migrants also contribute to technological progress.
I appreciate the south of this island is crowded (which is why I rarely go there). But we have an ageing demographic, which means we have more old kents to feed, pay for colonoscopies and spiralling healthcare, than young working taxpayers paying for their health care and pensions. So if they have the gumption to leave a war zone, sail a small dingy across a difficult sea, they will labour in sh!tty service industry jobs our indigenous youth won’t do. They and their kids are the entrepreneurs and taxpayers of the future and I welcome them.
I appreciate the south of this island is crowded (which is why I rarely go there). But we have an ageing demographic, which means we have more old kents to feed, pay for colonoscopies and spiralling healthcare, than young working taxpayers paying for their health care and pensions. So if they have the gumption to leave a war zone, sail a small dingy across a difficult sea, they will labour in sh!tty service industry jobs our indigenous youth won’t do. They and their kids are the entrepreneurs and taxpayers of the future and I welcome them.
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I won't forget Tim, my old feller and Lancaster's WW 2.
Just a tad too old for the Falklands personally, but had it escalated, papers would have come. Now the Yemen etc was part of my area.
Quite interesting, just take a little trip round the Midlands. There are many large hotels full of these "Migrants". Try to tell me they are all working. Don't knock the oldies either, I still pay tax and probably even will when I die. You have quite a jaundiced view young man.
Yes but Ukraine is going to need their young workers even more than we do when the fighting stops and they have to rebuild their country. There's something very unpalatable about exploiting wars and disasters to poach the youngest and brightest from other countries when they're on their knees just because we can't be bothered to address our own low productivity or educate and train our own population adequately.
It's colonialism in reverse and so easy to get away with because if anyone objects you just call them racists, so everyone jumps on the bandwagon and pretends they think its a good idea too. Meanwhile, Putin and dictators everywhere, rub their hands with glee as we do their work for them.
The primary objective should be to offer temporary refuge to victims of war, with financial and logistical assistance to return and rebuild when the time comes, not to cream off the best talent for ourselves and leave their society hollowed out.
Hayduke
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Ratel, you and your previous incarnation on SD make this forum worthwhile. I Respect your wisdom and service. And Would buy you a pint anywhere (UJC is my southern establishment of choice for a libation!). We have 5,000 Afghans in hotels in the UK now. They served, fought and were wounded beside us. I was never sent to Afghan, many mates were. The west / US betrayed Afghanistan by running, SoS Wallace tried to rally other NATO countries to maintain a presence and ‘top cover’ but failed. I don’t begrudge those Afghans in hotels trying to integrate and settle in the UK and welcome them here, they are the brightest and best of a generation of Afghans and I wish them the best of British luck and prosperity, for what they sacrificed for us.
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Hayduke
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Not nocking the oldies, just saying the NI and money you paid in is gone - kaput - spent - country is skint. We need young people working whatever their skin colour or country of birth. We also need the state to make it f/kn hard for anyone to languish on the dole, and sadly most of those who do are the homegrown idle.
Hayduke
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Points well made, and it’s good to move beyond the Mail / Hyacinth Bucket all immigrants are bad logic that sometimes surfaces on here.
Hayduke
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If only it were so, but as an old Cold War warrior you knows that’s not how Russians tick. They are subjugated.
Not quite, many Afghans did indeed serve fight and die alongside us. Of the two hotels I visit occasionally housing Afghan refugees. I have not yet encountered anyone claiming to be or recorded as ANA. The majority of those evacuated resided in Khabul not the outlying provinces. Those that should have been evacuated were largely abandoned with a failing supply chain.
The fact that these hotels have doubled and in some cases tripled the price to house these refugees is a Scandal in itself. With no discernible plan on future housing of refugees. No schooling plan available, a shortage of basic resources, failing infrastructure at every turn. Yes we should have and must continue to help refugees. However we need a government with capability beyond media releases and vote winning soundbites. The current packed hotels is a crisis waiting to explode.
As for they are the brightest and best, perhaps some of them. Or another way of looking at it they are members of the corrupt government and senior administrators and families. The same government that created imaginary soldiers on a large scale to boost pay packets gifted by the Americans, whilst the ANA at the front trying to hold the line struggled with little ammunition, little fuel, and quite frankly cowardly corrupt leadership Skimming the money from the top. Some may be the brightest and the best, others are the lowest and the worst. An even view of the situation both in Afghanistan and in the U.K. does not bode well for the future.
I would agree, but those that languish in benefits only do so because we allow them to. The tax those that work pay in can no longer hold the country up. I find it quite appalling that those on benefits take home more money than a newly qualified police officer, firefighter, nurse. In what universe should that be the norm ? Currently it is the U.K. normal. Without change we are brewing a recipe for disaster and just keep pushing on. As the cost of living increases do you think those that sit at the top care. Again a nice pay rise to off set any increase in costs. Most will have a home office to offset utility bills, they won’t worry about the fuel crisis as it is nicely captured in the expense account.
We need institutional change in the way our politicians run this country. The benefits system needs overhauled to prevent the misuse of benefits. Food,shelter, utilities should be enjoyed by all. Drug habits and alcohol issues should not be funded by the taxpayer that can not afford to eat out once a month.
5000? Afghans?
There are more than that in Coventry and Kenilworth/ Nuneaton area. But unless they have changed their facial construction they certainly ain't Afghans. All mainly from the dark continent via Europe, which is where they should have stayed as first safe base. I think you will find these are not refugees or job seekers, but rather looking for what they have heard is a honey pot.
I am still paying and I didn't mind my payments being used to fund the pensions etc of my Father's generation!! A great proportion of homegrown seem to be young ladies with children. Now anybody can make a mistake and beget one child, thou God knows how in this day and age. I do not begrudge them benefits until they get a job. Two or more kids (often by different father's) and in my book they should have child benefit removed until they do start work.
My limited experience of this social problem, is the extra children give better access to a ladder within the housing departments waiting lists.
Bavarianbrit
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I am back in UK at the moment to help my partner find a fresh tenant for one of her houses in Dover and help her to clean it up after the last tenants had left it in such a mess, quite usual with tenant changes they seemed to have been ok brits btw. Many application are coming in. Here off the net is one of these replies
Hi my name is a--k
I looking for house for living with my family
I have part time job
And I am in universal credit
My yearly income is £27000 all together
No pets
Living with me my wife , mom and dad
Gives perhaps an overview of the welfare system, a man "a brit" living opposite that house was working full time for P&O and was only earning £28K.
The refugees escaping Ukraine and the economic migrants that steadily trickle into our country are two completely different things. Please don't liken them to one another.
I've been in touch with quite a few people in Ukraine over the past few weeks, and the situation for them is pretty awful. What is equally awful (in my opinion) is the hurdles that our government has put in their way to make their entry into the UK so difficult. Such as having to have a biometric passport. Apparently an ordinary passport won't do for the UK. Why not? It's not like they're trying to sneak in unannounced. They have to have a British family to stand guarantor. That ought to be enough.
I have offered two rooms in my home, but so far have had to turn away potential candidates just because of the paperwork. The video calls we've had with these families are heart-wrenching.
I've been in touch with quite a few people in Ukraine over the past few weeks, and the situation for them is pretty awful. What is equally awful (in my opinion) is the hurdles that our government has put in their way to make their entry into the UK so difficult. Such as having to have a biometric passport. Apparently an ordinary passport won't do for the UK. Why not? It's not like they're trying to sneak in unannounced. They have to have a British family to stand guarantor. That ought to be enough.
I have offered two rooms in my home, but so far have had to turn away potential candidates just because of the paperwork. The video calls we've had with these families are heart-wrenching.
Benefit claimants are only a small part of the picture. But there's a lot more to it than mere laziness. For a start the system is loaded to discourage self-advancement. You can go from living on benefits to working forty hours a week without any increase in income and sometimes even a reduction. And on top of that the welfare support network you relied on disappears and as a wage earner, should you lose your job, you suddenly find yourself at the back of the housing queue. Why on earth would you risk it?
The political class will not reform this dysfunctional situation. The blind, deaf and dumb left are wedded implacably to the ideology of universality where the aim is to make everyone in society to some degree a client of the state in the spurious name of "fairness". The right, or at least the Tories - we don't have a genuine right of centre party able to win elections - won't reform the welfare system because they are afraid of being labelled the "nasty party" and the task is far too extensive to fit the short term electoral cycle. When Ian Duncan-Smith who had spent many years studying the problem, volunteered to oversee wefare reform, he was abandoned by the Treasury when the headlines turned hostile and was in effect constructively dismissed when elections loomed. And so a lazy political class continues to rely on mass immigration rather than risking their careers to grasp the nettle of socio-economic reform.
On top of that, we are still plagued by the bone-headed all-must-have-prizes thinking of the Blair years which insisted that all youngsters must go to university and get degrees, drowning a generation in unpayable debt, neglecting vocational training and demeaning secondary and further education in the rush for a bit of paper that will be not only worthless to a lot of graduates, but a huge financial liability as they struggle to pay for it without receiving any of the advantages they were told it wold bring.
The political class will not reform this dysfunctional situation. The blind, deaf and dumb left are wedded implacably to the ideology of universality where the aim is to make everyone in society to some degree a client of the state in the spurious name of "fairness". The right, or at least the Tories - we don't have a genuine right of centre party able to win elections - won't reform the welfare system because they are afraid of being labelled the "nasty party" and the task is far too extensive to fit the short term electoral cycle. When Ian Duncan-Smith who had spent many years studying the problem, volunteered to oversee wefare reform, he was abandoned by the Treasury when the headlines turned hostile and was in effect constructively dismissed when elections loomed. And so a lazy political class continues to rely on mass immigration rather than risking their careers to grasp the nettle of socio-economic reform.
On top of that, we are still plagued by the bone-headed all-must-have-prizes thinking of the Blair years which insisted that all youngsters must go to university and get degrees, drowning a generation in unpayable debt, neglecting vocational training and demeaning secondary and further education in the rush for a bit of paper that will be not only worthless to a lot of graduates, but a huge financial liability as they struggle to pay for it without receiving any of the advantages they were told it wold bring.
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