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Hayduke said:
Not nocking the oldies, just saying the NI and money you paid in is gone - kaput - spent - country is skint. We need young people working whatever their skin colour or country of birth. We also need the state to make it f/kn hard for anyone to languish on the dole, and sadly most of those who do are the homegrown idle.
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So when you get to retirement age the money you have paid in will be gone / spent
a man of wisdom—- don’t claim your pension if your that concerned
 
Hayduke said:
Migration boosts the working-age population. Migrants arrive with skills and contribute to human capital development of receiving countries and pay taxes. Migrants also contribute to technological progress.

I appreciate the south of this island is crowded (which is why I rarely go there). But we have an ageing demographic, which means we have more old kents to feed, pay for colonoscopies and spiralling healthcare, than young working taxpayers paying for their health care and pensions. So if they have the gumption to leave a war zone, sail a small dingy across a difficult sea, they will labour in sh!tty service industry jobs our indigenous youth won’t do. They and their kids are the entrepreneurs and taxpayers of the future and I welcome them.
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Its all 'me me me' with you isn't it 😂

I say - welcome the GPs and Dentists (if there are any) sort our own countries needy out first THEN consider allowing others in.

People born here are facing death/horrendous surgery due to a health care system that cant cope - and you want more people to join this desperate sh it show?
My aunt has 12 hours of surgery booked next week - they have got to cut off the left hand side of her lower jaw and remove bone from her legs to rebuild it due to having four - yes four consultation appointments cancelled, the consultant she saw said 'this never should of been allowed to happen.
Job I was on last week, 82 year old lady, known her for years, I think shes is literally dying, cant get GP appointment, had breast cancer 30 years ago should ring alarm bells at her surgery.

And in your opinion this island needs even more people? 🙄 crazy.
 
VSS said:
The refugees escaping Ukraine and the economic migrants that steadily trickle into our country are two completely different things. Please don't liken them to one another.
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I don't think anyone is doing that in a pejorative sense. At least not on here. But like our political class, there have been contributors who've said, oh look, we can grab a few useful workers out of this. This is a reflexive response we've been conditioned for. So much easier than restructuring our own economy and reforming our labour market - we'll just pinch theirs.
I know that's not what you are trying to do by offering rooms in your house to refugees, but we have been groomed to think about inward migration in a completely dishonest way so when it comes to offering refuge to displaced Ukrainians, the waters have been muddied.
 
Finch said:
I don't think anyone is doing that in a pejorative sense. At least not on here. But like our political class, there have been contributors who've said, oh look, we can grab a few useful workers out of this. This is a reflexive response we've been conditioned for. So much easier than restructuring our own economy and reforming our labour market - we'll just pinch theirs.
I know that's not what you are trying to do by offering rooms in your house to refugees, but we have been groomed to think about inward migration in a completely dishonest way so when it comes to offering refuge to displaced Ukrainians, the waters have been muddied.
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Well I take a fairly simplistic view of things - it makes life far less complicated and stressful - and as far as I can see they're simply trying to get as many women and children out to safety as possible, while the menfolk stay behind to try to hold things together. I'm sure that we would be doing the same if London, Birmingham or Glasgow were being bombed. Except that here in the UK most of the menfolk would be fleeing too.
We live in an increasingly brittle society, and it's going to get worse over the next couple of hundred years. A lot worse. And who's turn will it be after Ukraine? Could be ours. Who knows?
 
VSS said:
Well I take a fairly simplistic view of things - it makes life far less complicated and stressful - and as far as I can see they're simply trying to get as many women and children out to safety as possible, while the menfolk stay behind to try to hold things together. I'm sure that we would be doing the same if London, Birmingham or Glasgow were being bombed. Except that here in the UK most of the menfolk would be fleeing too.
We live in an increasingly brittle society, and it's going to get worse over the next couple of hundred years. A lot worse. And who's turn will it be after Ukraine? Could be ours. Who knows?
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Your assumptions of what Englishmen would or wouldn't do if faced with invasion is an insult aimed at someone whos not here to defend themself.

I think you've actually OD'd on simplicity.
 
VSS
your comment that you think most of the English men from London , Birmingham , Glasgow should be running away from invading troops I find dam insulting
how dare you put comments up about the intregraty of English men
you go hide under a pile of sheep poo if you want , but there are millions on men in this county of ours that would take up arms in a flash
wash your brain out man
discusting 🤢
 
Whilst I can agree a bit with your sentiments, you would get further by checking your geography and spelling before posting it. :)
 
Bavarianbrit said:
That's my take on it, we, all countries agree to look after their loved ones while the men are freed up to do the dirty work. Trains run full or empty so what's the big deal by not giving the same help to these women and kids as all of Europe is? Hornet I come back here as it is my right but as I get a non island perspective from being an expat it is also my right to point it out to give folks who perhaps are not hearing a balanced view as beeb etc don't mention this info, if that upsets you, tough. BTW I will be off to one of the borders of Ukraine to help these "freeloaders" out as best I can in a few weeks time after my time walking in the red bull tin street littered UK.
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The freeloader bit are your words not mine.
You couldn't give a balanced perspective if you tried.
 
Finch said:
On top of that, we are still plagued by the bone-headed all-must-have-prizes thinking of the Blair years which insisted that all youngsters must go to university and get degrees, drowning a generation in unpayable debt, neglecting vocational training and demeaning secondary and further education in the rush for a bit of paper that will be not only worthless to a lot of graduates, but a huge financial liability as they struggle to pay for it without receiving any of the advantages they were told it wold bring.
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I agree whole heartedly with the rest of your post , except for this, its not unpayable.
Even though the government has recently, and stealthily , lowered the payback margin from £26K to £25K , and increased the time span to pay it back from 30 to 40 years, its still not a huge amount to pay back.
My partners daughter, a fully qualified primary school teacher at 28 , is on £42K pa, she pays back around £160.00 per month.
My daughter , at 22 , will be on £28K when she starts her job soon with HMRC, will pay back less than £20 a month.
University degrees arent always a waste of time.
uptonogood said:
How refreshing to find an articulate realist mate ,spot on Finch .
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Agreed.
 
Thank you rake for your very informative geography lesson
I should have put Scott’s men cause I know your all a brave nation
spelling was never my best a school and still carry’s on to this day 😂
atb mate
 
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