Good Service from BASC Wrexham

[countrryboy]

Althou to be fair this thread really shouldn't have developed the way it has.
Like Jimmy I do think this site has a problem with bullying basc, quite sad really

I still maintain any dealings with the Scottish office have been 1st class and can't fault them.
It's the direction there gong nationally is untenable now.
But just because u don't like/agree with something u don't have to jump on every mention of there name no matter wot the context, really quite sad life's some of u must have ( or blessed if that is ur biggest/only problem)

 

[Roestalker39]

Althou to be fair this thread really shouldn't have developed the way it has.
Like Jimmy I do think this site has a problem with bullying basc, quite sad really

I still maintain any dealings with the Scottish office have been 1st class and can't fault them.
It's the direction there gong nationally is untenable now.
But just because u don't like/agree with something u don't have to jump on every mention of there name no matter wot the context, really quite sad life's some of u must have ( or blessed if that is ur biggest/only problem)

Must be blessed then , ps explain how it’s bullying if it’s fact ?
I’m glad you’ve finally seen the light though

 

[CarlW]

To be honest, I feel more discomfort with how Packham is abused on here than BASC. They are both attempting to destroy fieldsports, but at least that little f'kker believes in something.

 

[jimmy milnes]

To be honest, I feel more discomfort with how Packham is abused on here than BASC. They are both attempting to destroy fieldsports, but at least that little f'kker believes in something.

I here what your saying Carl, although I do understand the frustration most of the people on here feel, some of the direct comments don't show us in a good light

 

[jimmy milnes]

Did anyone watch the Field Sports Britain programme on YouTube the other day, some of the candidates for this year's election spoke about things that need to change,
Anyway I've cast my ballot paper in so see what happens,
I know some on here think I'm a BASC lover however I'm not, I know much needs to change, but I just don't seem to see any other organisation making a big push either, most just sit on the fence from what I can see, "and I've had a good bit of time grubbing around while off graft,"
One point Carl made that did strike home to me is that some of the things done by BASC have done negative work so yes I do see that as worse than sitting on a fence.
However TH4 has the best idea I think and one I myself am considering, in that bin the lot and take on private insurance instead.
Would probably keep my script to GWCT though as they are the ONLY ONES I can see actually doing scientific work to combat the issues we face.
Cheers Jimmy

 

[CarlW]

Did anyone watch the Field Sports Britain programme on YouTube the other day, some of the candidates for this year's election spoke about things that need to change,
Anyway I've cast my ballot paper in so see what happens,
I know some on here think I'm a BASC lover however I'm not, I know much needs to change, but I just don't seem to see any other organisation making a big push either, most just sit on the fence from what I can see, "and I've had a good bit of time grubbing around while off graft,"
One point Carl made that did strike home to me is that some of the things done by BASC have done negative work so yes I do see that as worse than sitting on a fence.
However TH4 has the best idea I think and one I myself am considering, in that bin the lot and take on private insurance instead.
Would probably keep my script to GWCT though as they are the ONLY ONES I can see actually doing scientific work to combat the issues we face.
Cheers Jimmy

The GWCT supported BASC's campaign to ban shooting with lead. Money to them is money to an anti, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[jimmy milnes]

The GWCT supported BASC's campaign to ban shooting with lead. Money to them is money to an anti, as far as I'm concerned.

That's the most ridiculous comment ever.... I'm out of this

 

[Marcher]

I agree with Jimmy milnes, a lot of this constant anti fields sports organisation chatter, is counter productive.

 

[CarlW]

That's the most ridiculous comment ever.... I'm out of this

That's quite offensive. However, an even more ridiculous position is to say that:

'I shall give them money in order to help them to campaign against shooting sports. Oh, and at the same time, I will continue to come on here and defend BASC (which is complicit in the sustained campaign against many of our livelihoods) against any criticism by a legitimately disgusted body of countrymen.'

Have you considered joining LACS as well...?

 

[CarlW]

I agree with Jimmy milnes, a lot of this constant anti fields sports organisation chatter, is counter productive.

No it isn't. People are legitimately refusing to accept the appalling incompetence and perfidity of a number of our shooting organisations.

Personally, I would prefer they speak out than dumbly support the wolf in sheep's clothing. The constant attempts to silence those critics by a small number of school prefects brandishing the you're-just-BASC-bashing cane really are getting rather tiresome.

 

[countrryboy]

Do agree with u on many pionts Jimmy, esp about the Gwct a brilliant org ( and Tobe fair to them on the whole lead shot fiasco, they are a purely scientific org they were never going to promote keeping lead shot. The science may not be there about lead in meat and health issues or environment but a scientific org can't promote it either and it's not there job to do it)
Another togood cheap org doing good scientific work althou not shooting related is Songbird Survival, lots of stuff about predators/cats.

I do think it is a massive mistake to use private ins, despite wot I think about basc generally the NGO ( despite the lead shot mistake) and sga generally do a lot of good work and are not expensive.
Be surprised if u can get private ins much cheaper



Roe39
I'm not very pc in fact quite the oppisate
But I'd look at ur defination of bullying, the days of ging, fat, sexuality, sexual appetite/experience, colour, race shaming are long gone, and rightly so ( apart from ging shaming, never go out of fashion )

So no persistently repeating ur view of a fact at every opporrtunity over And over and over and over and over and over again could very much be described as bullying.
I d be more concerned it's some sort of mental illness or some sort of basc induced tourettes.
To be quite honest I probably stayed in basc a few years longer just as I don't want to follow the vocal mob on here, so ur verbal tourettes on here only served to put more money in there pockets.
How a thread praising bsc office staff without turning into this is quite sad.
I think half the basc threads are only started to go fishing and see who bites first, think some folk must have a sweep stake going, how many poss till.....
jimbos 1st bite, mods involved, threads locked
Few more rules/phrases u could turn it into a great drinking game, be permantally pi**ef


Althou I will add why would u even expect u tickets To be done in a normal timescale with all this going on, every office on a skeleton crews.
Must admit I should be chasing up my last chainsaw ticket done it last Oct and still not throu yet but waste of time phoning them during this, sure got more important things to do.

 

[jimmy milnes]

That's quite offensive. However, an even more ridiculous position is to say that:

'I shall give them money in order to help them to campaign against shooting sports. Oh, and at the same time, I will continue to come on here and defend BASC (which is complicit in the sustained campaign against many of our livelihoods) against any criticism by a legitimately disgusted body of countrymen.'

Have you considered joining LACS as well...?

You do keep drawing me back Carl,
The league... Nar dunt be daft, I find the balaclava itches too much.

Your organisation SGA what positive work have THEY done? lead shot as you mentioned it, last I looked on the Web site they had no opinion one way or the other until scientific evidence came to light... Now that's a fair point OK,.... So use your membership subs to do it then... Don't leave it for someone else to get.
When all the ridiculous hoohaa about can we or can't we got shooting when lockdown was relaxed a BIT in England, l looked to their website again but at the time I found nothing about them partitioning to find out, maybe its because they in Scotland were still on Lockdown so didn't affect them..
I stand by my point ALL are getting money for old rope IMHO.

 

[Stalker62]

... perfidity...

Had to look that one up...

I shall add it to my Onomasticon.

 

[countrryboy]

The GWCT supported BASC's campaign to ban shooting with lead. Money to them is money to an anti, as far as I'm concerned.

Must admit I'm very strongly with Jimmy here.

The gcwt are a purely scientific org.
Try looking in Gwct aims and why it was founded, it never has had a remit to defend shooting ( bit like BDS has nothing to do with actual stalking but deer welfare)

They are non political and also not there responsibility to campaign for shooting directly or politically.
They are only there to provide pure scientific evidence that political pressure orgs like basc, NGO, sga can then use.
Without that scientific evidence ( not that it seems to matter much now) any org becomes just a version of pack ham spouting there views with no back up.

They should not have been put in that position if it was not for basics massive stupidity in driving this.
As a scientific org they're never going to encourage firing lead ( a known toxic metal) into the environment but in the past they generally keep quiet about it and not got involved too much.
Gwct rarely if ever have done any studies into lead, they're probably shroud enough to realise it's a bit of a list cause and not really there remit.
If they tried to actively defend lead it may weaken there standing and other important work there doing

I don't know u Carl but if someone who comes across as educated and well as u normally do Carl becomes so blinkered by the anti basc mob on here shooting has a massive problem.
While I truely believe basc are now causing more harm than good, the constant barrage of sniping on here is not positive either

Carl ur very positive about the Sga, and rightly so but they still NEED the Gwct to put the figures and science behind the many things we all know is true
Without the figures we do not have a leg to stand on.
Public opinion the modern world will never be in our favour, if we lose the science the job is f**ked, and to be honest I think the job could very well be f**ked since the advent off internet/fake news/clickbait and generally factually poor journalism nowadays.

 

[CarlW]

You do keep drawing me back Carl,
The league... Nar dunt be daft, I find the balaclava itches too much.

Your organisation SGA what positive work have THEY done? lead shot as you mentioned it, last I looked on the Web site they had no opinion one way or the other until scientific evidence came to light... Now that's a fair point OK,.... So use your membership subs to do it then... Don't leave it for someone else to get.
When all the ridiculous hoohaa about can we or can't we got shooting when lockdown was relaxed a BIT in England, l looked to their website again but at the time I found nothing about them partitioning to find out, maybe its because they in Scotland were still on Lockdown so didn't affect them..
I stand by my point ALL are getting money for old rope IMHO.

Given the limitations of any membership organisation (from a chess club to a drinking club), I am more concerned with the harm they do than the good.

There is every chance that, at some point, the SGA will also do something unconscionable. I will then be homeless again. However, for now, they are not actively complicit in the destruction of our way of life (and my business).

BASC's initial refusal to campaign against the trophy ban was not only a failure, it was also an encouragement to the other side that 'we can win this'. Even now, if you read BASC's statement, they have already prepared their fallback position: throw foreign hunting (or at least CITES) to the dogs and then dig in around deer.

If other countries follow suit, I'll have a million acres of maize rather than a million acres of pristine game-filled wilderness. So, Jimmy, f*ck BASC and all who sail in her...

PS I'm glad you're back.

 

[CarlW]

Must admit I'm very strongly with Jimmy here.

The gcwt are a purely scientific org.
Try looking in Gwct aims and why it was founded, it never has had a remit to defend shooting ( bit like BDS has nothing to do with actual stalking but deer welfare)

They are non political and also not there responsibility to campaign for shooting directly or politically.
They are only there to provide pure scientific evidence that political pressure orgs like basc, NGO, sga can then use.
Without that scientific evidence ( not that it seems to matter much now) any org becomes just a version of pack ham spouting there views with no back up.

They should not have been put in that position if it was not for basics massive stupidity in driving this.
As a scientific org they're never going to encourage firing lead ( a known toxic metal) into the environment but in the past they generally keep quiet about it and not got involved too much.
Gwct rarely if ever have done any studies into lead, they're probably shroud enough to realise it's a bit of a list cause and not really there remit.
If they tried to actively defend lead it may weaken there standing and other important work there doing

I don't know u Carl but if someone who comes across as educated and well as u normally do Carl becomes so blinkered by the anti basc mob on here shooting has a massive problem.
While I truely believe basc are now causing more harm than good, the constant barrage of sniping on here is not positive either

Carl ur very positive about the Sga, and rightly so but they still NEED the Gwct to put the figures and science behind the many things we all know is true
Without the figures we do not have a leg to stand on.
Public opinion the modern world will never be in our favour, if we lose the science the job is f**ked, and to be honest I think the job could very well be f**ked since the advent off internet/fake news/clickbait and generally factually poor journalism nowadays.

See my response to Jimmy.

Given the limitations of any membership organisation (from a chess club to a drinking club), I am more concerned with the harm they do than the good.

There is every chance that, at some point, the SGA will also do something unconscionable. I will then be homeless again. However, for now, they are not actively complicit in the destruction of our way of life (and my business).

BASC's initial refusal to campaign against the trophy ban was not only a failure, it was also an encouragement to the other side that 'we can win this'. Even now, if you read BASC's statement, they have already prepared their fallback position: throw foreign hunting (or at least CITES) to the dogs and then dig in around deer.

If other countries follow suit, I'll have a million acres of maize rather than a million acres of pristine game-filled wilderness. So, Jimmy, f*ck BASC and all who sail in her...

PS I'm glad you're back.

 

[CarlW]

Had to look that one up...

I shall add it to my Onomasticon.

Hmmm. Should probably be 'perfidy'. Sorry!

And I now need to go and look up 'onomasticon'...

 

[Stalker62]

Hmmm. Should probably be 'perfidy'. Sorry!

And I now need to go and look up 'onomasticon'...

I actually think it should be perfidious but you were getting such a kicking I could not bring myself to join in...

 

[CarlW]

I actually think it should be perfidious but you were getting such a kicking I could not bring myself to join in...

Nope. Twas a noun I needed. Perfidy would be good. However my illiteracy is now carved in digital stone.

 

[User00040]

@CarlW the GWTC are affiliated with the SGA, if I'm not mistaken the SGA has funded some research they were doing (I think it was regarding ticks and their relation with deer, grouse and sheep on the hill, but may be wrong).

They had a representative at the SGA AGM as well who spoke and got a bottle given to him, then again so did the guy from SNH discussing best practise

Maybe a good thing you could not make it!

TBH no single org is going to represent anyone's views 1 for 1. Whilst I hold the opinion that all UK sport shooting of game birds should be done on only wild birds and not hand reared and fed till the shooting season, and walked up only with no driven days, it is not for me to promote or enforce this position on anyone. I think would remove a lot of the criticism of the anti-mob, increase welfare and wild bird numbers if done correctly, not to mention get rid of the terrible trend of 'big bag' days where anything less than 1000 birds shot is a failure.

However, if such an idea came with the pretence of a ban on all other types of game bird shoots, it would not only be bad for the industry but also the people and families who rely on it for income. Hence, that is why I don't support initiatives or organisations that push for bans. As has been said, whole non-lead thing stinks as there is very questionable reasoning and evidence behind why BASC U-turned from their circa 2015 position of seeing lead shot as an acceptable risk.

The hallmark of good reasoning is changing your views if credible new information arises which makes your old view obsolete. As far as I am aware, no new info came up regarding the harmful effects of lead ( this I don't dispute, but I don't believe they have done their homework on exposure levels) but maybe an idea of making money out of marketing new cartridges did (although these already exist), who knows?

Listen to this podcast from 6:00 onwards, it is worthwhile.