GP report.......again!

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riddick said:
when mine eventually turns up I'll get some hookers and buds in,play some hard rock music, to sway things in my favour, but knowing my luck I'll probably get a bloody babycham drinking shirtlifter who hates guns, girls, and likes the feckin' communards :rolleyes:
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Nowt up wit communards pal.leave little jimmy alone
 
You would think the doctor being a ref for me would be more than good enough. But too ask him for a letter as well.cant get mi head round it..not many doctors like him brilliant.
 
I hear that some GP's are going to refuse to do reports on shooters. They are objecting the use of guns for any reason. I personally think they need to be struck off for not doing their job. Will they stop treating lung cancer because they don't like smokers. It is interesting that one of the few things a GP cannot help people with is treatment for mental health. So why are GP's going to be used for a mental assessment for firearms ownership. This is clearly another obstacle to gun ownership. If it has to come in the Government must give guidelines on what GP's can reasonably charge and a maximum to avoid GP's personally loading charges because of their stance on firearms. Doctors used to be non-political pillars of society by their standing in the community. Seems that is changing.
 
Chris said:
I hear that some GP's are going to refuse to do reports on shooters. They are objecting the use of guns for any reason. I personally think they need to be struck off for not doing their job. Will they stop treating lung cancer because they don't like smokers. It is interesting that one of the few things a GP cannot help people with is treatment for mental health. So why are GP's going to be used for a mental assessment for firearms ownership. This is clearly another obstacle to gun ownership. If it has to come in the Government must give guidelines on what GP's can reasonably charge and a maximum to avoid GP's personally loading charges because of their stance on firearms. Doctors used to be non-political pillars of society by their standing in the community. Seems that is changing.
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Welcome Chris, sadly GPs are businesses and can do as they please as firearms medical reports are not part of their NHS contract, it is private work, just like a pilots medical for example. So yes they can refuse and lots are.

They are not being asked to give a mental assessment regarding the applicant just confirmation as to if you have ever had or suffered with a list of what the police call relevant medical conditions.

Look through the forum their is a lot of very useful information about it.
 
Surely if the GP is not willing to provide a report then there should be a mechanism in place that the report is not required and if there is a serious concern over the applicants mental state then there be a requirement for the Dr to flag it up?

Otherwise you are being penalised for someone elses prejudices?

My experience on Deeside is that £34 (i think) and zero delay - couldnt have been easier
 
Dan, if the police force is following the home office guide to firearms licensing 2016 then yes the mechanism is that after 21days if the GP has not provided the report the police will issue the certificate.

But a lot of forces (and more join in every month or so) are no longer following the guide as it is just that a guide and not legally binding. These forces are making it mandatory that you must obtain the medical report at the same time as the application be that renewal or first grant. No medical report no certificate, no if’s no but’s.

If your own registered GP will not do it then you will be told to go find one that will, which in my opinion is where it all falls apart.

But both my complaint to the crime commissioner and Independent office of police conduct failed to be upheld.

So until such times as either the home office consultation that ended in September or it goes to court results in a legally binding change, all we can do is put up, shut up and pay up.

No other group of people in society would/could be treated in this way, it’s morally wrong but legally wright.
 
Steve curry said:
You would think the doctor being a ref for me would be more than good enough. But too ask him for a letter as well.cant get mi head round it..not many doctors like him brilliant.
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One of my referees is also a GP with his own practice, along with my second referee who is a retired police officer, you would think this would be sufficient.
 
Don't know if this has been posted prior, (couldn't find it when searching Forums)
Relevant minutes from NPCC FELWG minutes May 2019.

Main Agenda
Medical screening
A discussion took place in relation to the current position on pre-medical screening information. The issues that arose were.
  1. More forces have adopted this process in line with Police Scotland
  2. The BMA have amended their guidance as of 28 February 2019 to support both the process
    AND the placing of a marker on patient records where this can be done.
  3. Home Office guidance consultation is due to commence in July but has been significantly
    delayed.
  4. Analysis of forces undertaking the process currently is very positive.
  5. The Royal College of General Practitioners are supportive of the process.
  6. BASC and other shooting groups have been consulted and remain concerned in relation to
    doctors objecting to the process and costs.
  7. DO is briefing the policing minister shortly.
Having discussed the issue widely, and the recent changes with the BMA guidance that the time was appropriate for FELWG to formally recommend pre-medical screening to forces as best practice, in anticipation of Home Office statutory guidance consultation commencing shortly.
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National Police Chiefs’ Council
 
BMA may have amended their guidance to GPs but as far I can see it still include template letters for GPs who do not want to do the report and they are free to choose and charge what they like.
www.bma.org.uk

Guidance for GPs on the firearms licensing process

We set out the BMA position on firearms licensing and what to do when someone applies for a firearms licence, including responding to the police and conscientious objection.
www.bma.org.uk www.bma.org.uk

I have an idea, let’s form a group “firearms justice”? I am sure somebody can think of a better name.
Use crowdfunding to get some money.
Then get legal advice to confirm what BASC has told me, ie A GP would be legally liable for knowingly making a false declaration just like the applicant for obtaining a firearm.

Then write to every GP in one of the forces not aligned with HOG2016 enclosing the legal advice and encourage them not to act as an alternative GP as they cannot comply with the EVER condition within the police medical report template letter.

Then what would the police do? The mandatory GP report process would then fall apart given that it is currently only working due to the alternative GPs participation.
 
Liveonce said:
BMA may have amended their guidance to GPs but as far I can see it still include template letters for GPs who do not want to do the report and they are free to choose and charge what they like.
www.bma.org.uk

Guidance for GPs on the firearms licensing process

We set out the BMA position on firearms licensing and what to do when someone applies for a firearms licence, including responding to the police and conscientious objection.
www.bma.org.uk www.bma.org.uk

I have an idea, let’s form a group “firearms justice”? I am sure somebody can think of a better name.
Use crowdfunding to get some money.
Then get legal advice to confirm what BASC has told me, ie A GP would be legally liable for knowingly making a false declaration just like the applicant for obtaining a firearm.

Then write to every GP in one of the forces not aligned with HOG2016 enclosing the legal advice and encourage them not to act as an alternative GP as they cannot comply with the EVER condition within the police medical report template letter.

Then what would the police do? The mandatory GP report process would then fall apart given that it is currently only working due to the alternative GPs participation.
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why hasn't basc done exactly this then?, having told you the above [underlined]
no need to crowdfund they have a nice healthy pile already. ;)
 
BASC are hoping someone who was asleep in subsequent meetings will wake up and say "the term of an FAC should be ten years".
Seems also likely that BASC have, at many points along this developing process and certainly when legal action could have been taken, also just simply fallen asleep and missed everything we needed them to be awake and aware of.
You'd have to have been deceased to have missed this issue developing - 2 years (in Scotland) and counting. (because it didn't take much intelligence to be convinced Scotland would come south.)
 
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