GP reports update

[David63]

Dear All,
We fully appreciate the issues and concerns you all have regarding GP reports and applications / renewals of FAC and SGC.
Regardless of what some have posted on other threads, BASC is not simply sitting back and doing nothing, all avenues are being perused.
Here, for example, by way of our recent press release is an update:

BASC pleased Gloucestershire Police has listened on licensing -

Plans on hold pending the outcome of a Home Office consultation.

basc.org.uk

I understand that some of you will find it easy to vent your frustration at BASC, I guess we are a large and easy target! Perhaps focussing your energy on getting those shooters who are not a member of any organisation to join the fight would be more productive.
Never the less BASC will keep lobbying and campaigning on this and a raft of other issues to do our best to protect the rights and interests of our members and the wider shooting community.
David

 

[palmer_mike]

An honest question, was this change of tack by Glocs police as a direct result of intervention by BASC?

Also any update on what you’re doing about the situation in TVP? Seems like current advice from Basc legal team is to just pay up!

 

[David63]

Yes we did lobby Glos police as it says on our web page, and yes we are still lobbying TVP

 

[Taystalker]

What about police Scotland?

 

[kes]

I am no longer going to comment on anything to do with BASC
I do my own lobbying - MP, DEFRA, EFRA and the recent Scottish Wildfowling consultation, amongst other stuff.
I claim no personal success but if everyone does this ?

 

[jimbo1984]

Yes we did lobby Glos police as it says on our web page, and yes we are still lobbying TVP

Yes but was that a direct result of basc lobbying ? Or a joint effort ? Seems basc we’re very keen to claim a part of the action of other orgs during the GL fiasco

 

[Pedro]

Yes but was that a direct result of basc lobbying ? Or a joint effort ? Seems basc we’re very keen to claim a part of the action of other orgs during the GL fiasco

I guess you would have to ask Glos Police that one really. Good luck with that. But if BASC lobbied them and other organisations lobbied them too and (for the time being at least) they've put a hold on it, then well done to all. Onwards and upwards.

 

[jimbo1984]

I guess you would have to ask Glos Police that one really. Good luck with that. But if BASC lobbied them and other organisations lobbied them too and (for the time being at least) they've put a hold on it, then well done to all. Onwards and upwards.

As I say I’m dubious with bascs “ welcoming “ of all things restrictive that they acted alone .....

 

[Gm81]

David.
Thank you for your update.
The heat for BASC will be relentless on here it seems.
As a member of BASC I feel my view counts.
If you can’t stop the reports which would be my first choice. As it’s not a guideline. The second choice would be make it a guideline that has a fixed costing attached to it.
If the TVP statement turns out to be true that I read on here. I would be very unhappy if that’s what reply I got from BASC. This really did make me consider my membership.
The big but being. We never hear of comments on other organisations. So it’s all a bit one sided to make a choice.
Also i really admire your thick skin for continuing to post on here.

 

[Orion]

If you can’t stop the reports which would be my first choice. As it’s not a guideline.

You mean not a guideline as in not already in the Home Office Guide on Firearms Licensing Law Appendix 11, Page 260?

If Chief Constables are blatantly ignoring the existing Guidance, which they are, why not take action under S55A(4) Firearms Act 1968, or is it meaningless?

 

[jimbo1984]

David.
Thank you for your update.
The heat for BASC will be relentless on here it seems.
As a member of BASC I feel my view counts.
If you can’t stop the reports which would be my first choice. As it’s not a guideline. The second choice would be make it a guideline that has a fixed costing attached to it.
If the TVP statement turns out to be true that I read on here. I would be very unhappy if that’s what reply I got from BASC. This really did make me consider my membership.
The big but being. We never hear of comments on other organisations. So it’s all a bit one sided to make a choice.
Also i really admire your thick skin for continuing to post on here.

Been plenty of comments on Ngo ca and other orgs , some people only see what they want to ......

 

[Gm81]

You mean not a guideline as in not already in the Home Office Guide on Firearms Licensing Law Appendix 11, Page 260?

If Chief Constables are blatantly ignoring the existing Guidance, which they are, why not take action under S55A(4) Firearms Act 1968, or is it meaningless?

What I mean is. If the GP doesn’t reply. Then it’s all ok. As it should be now.

No I agree with you. If it came to my cert I will want BASC to fight my case.
The whole thing needs sorting so it’s fair for everyone and not an increasing cost. If we need to have stronger checks. Then fine. But do it the right way. Not an opinion of each area/person to what is right.

 

[Gm81]

Been plenty of comments on Ngo ca and other orgs , some people only see what they want to ......

I see some. But also some people only say the same things. So you start to skip through and not read it all properly.......

 

[jimbo1984]

I see some. But also some people only say the same things. So you start to skip through and not read it all properly.......

I understand that ,
Atb jim

 

[Orion]

What I mean is. If the GP doesn’t reply. Then it’s all ok. As it should be now.

No I agree with you. If it came to my cert I will want BASC to fight my case.
The whole thing needs sorting so it’s fair for everyone and not an increasing cost. If we need to have stronger checks. Then fine. But do it the right way. Not an opinion of each area/person to what is right.

Fair comment, but have you seen the BASC response at post #9 on this thread?

Doesn’t appear to be much support on offer there does it?

 

[Frank Homes]

Sounds as if BASC have changed their stance (Perring's letter) and rolled over. I wonder whether they took further legal advice and were told the chances of winning a judicial review on this are slim?

F

 

[Gm81]

Fair comment, but have you seen the BASC response at post #9 on this thread?

Doesn’t appear to be much support on offer there does it?

That is the exact item I was referencing. I wonder if the person insisted that BASC fight the case. What the answer would be?
If I got this answer to me I wouldn’t be happy.
This post did and does make me consider my membership with them. But has anyone seen or posted similar of another organisation fighting the opposite for an individual.
I am lucky I guess. I haven’t needed any back up from them for anything. I like it this way too!!! Long may it continue as well. Not a good thought to think they wouldn’t help when I needed it.
This is one of the largest reason we are members of such services. But if it isn’t there to call on as a member......

 

[Gm81]

I suppose my second choice of making it a fixed cost that is part of the application process would be a more realistic vision for them to pursue from the letter they sent to the person????
True fact is the majority of the UK doesn’t like guns.
I don’t understand how we got so far away from our historical roots in such a short time. Another conversation I guess.

 

[User00025]

Ok David, now can you tell me why you did nothing when Linc's (The first to bring it up,on TV) stated no report no fac.

 

[Dalua]

I might be recalling this incorrectly, but it did seem at the time of their introduction that BASC were in support of the GP-related proposals as outlined in the HO Guide, despite the obvious potential for problems relating to additional unpredictably-high costs which would be incurred by shooters.

I wonder whether, going forward, BASC might take a rather less collaborative and perhaps more assertive line with the Police and HO? These two bodies are really not our friends.