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Northman_83 said:
If you know something is going to happen.. you plan, and start doing something.
Since nothing has been done... now the costs are going to be huge.
So huge that some will just throw their hands in the air and say its no use... lets just continue like we do now. TOOOOO expensive...

Well.. why not blame Fossile Fuel companies that stopped all progress on going to renewables since the 70s... because it was more profitable to continue to use their products. Even if it will bite us in the end...


Electricity & Heat : 40%
Transportation : 20%
Manufacturing & Construction : 17%
Other fuel combustion: 12%
Agriculture 11%

These are the main culprits..
But, RightWing talkingpoints are trying to get people to "give up things"..
Eat less meat, not using plastic bags or straws, blah blah blah... its just a distraction.




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Did you read the IPCC summary for policy makers i posted? Put yourself in the position of Boris Johnson as PM. What policy would you make after reading it?

Feel free to take 5 minutes because you activists have had decades to come up with a response.
 
mchug:
One solution will not solve the troubles we are headed towards.
You do everything that is scientifically proven to help...

Looking into the future...
We need ALOT of energy to compensate for Fossile fuels.
Machines will do more and more of production, so thing can be made Locally, instead of shipping from China.


If you want simple things.
Solar, Wind, Geo, Hydro, Thorium for energy needs.
Insulation of buildings.
Build better buildings.
Rail, rail, rail.
Massive funding of energy storage based on cheap materials ( batteries )
Local production ( will drive costs up.. but most will be done by robots anyway)
All transport over to electricity.


You need ALOT of energy.. but we have done nearly nothing for 40 years, even though we knew this was coming.. Now we have to pay for it.
 
Northman_83 said:
mchug:
One solution will not solve the troubles we are headed towards.
You do everything that is scientifically proven to help...

Looking into the future...
We need ALOT of energy to compensate for Fossile fuels.
Machines will do more and more of production, so thing can be made Locally, instead of shipping from China.


If you want simple things.
Solar, Wind, Geo, Hydro, Thorium for energy needs.
Insulation of buildings.
Build better buildings.
Rail, rail, rail.
Massive funding of energy storage based on cheap materials ( batteries )
Local production ( will drive costs up.. but most will be done by robots anyway)
All transport over to electricity.


You need ALOT of energy.. but we have done nearly nothing for 40 years, even though we knew this was coming.. Now we have to pay for it.
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Well now that you want to talk about solutions.
1. How much land is needed for Solar and what about at night?
2. How much land is needed for windfarms and not all areas are suitable. Also wind farms kill raptors and are high cost and high maintenance. Don't forget you need diesel or gas backup power
3.Hydro? Who the fark is going to approve another hydro these days? Talk about complete environmental destruction and the huge risk in the next earthquake it doesn't wipe out half the nation?
4. Thoruium, what another nuclear reactor based on unproven technology?
5. Better buildings? Make sure the cladding doesn't catch of fire and who is going to pay for that?
6. Rail, do you live next to rail? Rail to where for what purpose?
7. Batteries? Have you seen the cost of Elon Musks largest 100MWh battery in South Australia? It doesn't create energy, it only stores it for a very short time and the best you can ask for is load balancing.
8. Local production? That's not how trade works. If it is cheaper to grown millions of tonnes of wheat and rice in asia and ship it to the UK or destroy half of UK growing unsuitable crops to reduce the cost of Maresk shipping?
9. All transport to electric? How are you going to power that, if you answer is the whole countryside laid to waste for solar farms, wind farms and hydro dams then there will be nowhere to grow the unsuitable crops.

I agree with the better insulation but will cost the average person, or developer a considerable cost for people living in cold climates. Other than that, you plans are not practical or economic.
 
1. Enough.
2. Enough.
3. Those that have the possibility.
4. Proven and worked decades ago...
5. Efficiency and insulation.
6. For goods and people transport to where its needed.
7. Batteries can be made with cheaper materials.
8. Trade works how it works.. Machines to produce here or there... what is cheapest?
9. See 1,2,3,4..

All these things are perfectly possible.. it costs money, but not really when you have adapted the economy to the new system.


If you dont want solutions... its really easy to belive nothing will work.

Practical it is...
Economic.. Spend 10 Trillion now... or 100 Trillion in 20 years
 
Automatic threat of death penalty for aspiring and encumbent career politicians and all lobbyists and associated lickspittles, then get back to ancient Greek-style democracy for/by the people. Evidence based decisions, not those lobbied for by politically motivated chisellers, hucksters and their like.
Thorium is a good bet, embodied energy costs in wind and solar too much for the lifetime return, aside of the real and increasing negative environmental impacts, such as the impending extirpation of wildcat from their last remaining stronghold in NE Scotland, to satisfy the Swedish Govt's pension fund 'externalisation of the environmental costs' to the UK taxpayers (who fund the surpluses, literally generated by the wind, going East to la Thunberg's pristine homeland's pension funds, bet her mom and dad are happy about not having this in their back yard)...

 
Northman_83 said:
1. Enough.
2. Enough.
3. Those that have the possibility.
4. Proven and worked decades ago...
5. Efficiency and insulation.
6. For goods and people transport to where its needed.
7. Batteries can be made with cheaper materials.
8. Trade works how it works.. Machines to produce here or there... what is cheapest?
9. See 1,2,3,4..

All these things are perfectly possible.. it costs money, but not really when you have adapted the economy to the new system.


If you dont want solutions... its really easy to belive nothing will work.

Practical it is...
Economic.. Spend 10 Trillion now... or 100 Trillion in 20 years
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These are great conversations. Assuming 100% conversion to renewables excluding transport by 2030, What do you expect the sured cost of a 100% renewables for the UK to be in pounds per megawatt going forward?
 
Northman_83 said:
1. Enough.
2. Enough.
3. Those that have the possibility.
4. Proven and worked decades ago...
5. Efficiency and insulation.
6. For goods and people transport to where its needed.
7. Batteries can be made with cheaper materials.
8. Trade works how it works.. Machines to produce here or there... what is cheapest?
9. See 1,2,3,4..

All these things are perfectly possible.. it costs money, but not really when you have adapted the economy to the new system.


If you dont want solutions... its really easy to belive nothing will work.

Practical it is...
Economic.. Spend 10 Trillion now... or 100 Trillion in 20 years
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Serious question. Did you go the extinction protest?
 
Stop running /// million smartphones worldwide that need charging each day, get rid of faceache/social media drainage, only have one child per couple worldwide to reduce population expansion with nuking of lands that will not conform to this rule etc.
All this of course is not possible.
Extinction will not happen in my lifetime anyway.
 
Freeforester said:
Automatic threat of death penalty for aspiring and encumbent career politicians and all lobbyists and associated lickspittles, then get back to ancient Greek-style democracy for/by the people. Evidence based decisions, not those lobbied for by politically motivated chisellers, hucksters and their like.
Thorium is a good bet, embodied energy costs in wind and solar too much for the lifetime return, aside of the real and increasing negative environmental impacts, such as the impending extirpation of wildcat from their last remaining stronghold in NE Scotland, to satisfy the Swedish Govt's pension fund 'externalisation of the environmental costs' to the UK taxpayers (who fund the surpluses, literally generated by the wind, going East to la Thunberg's pristine homeland's pension funds, bet her mom and dad are happy about not having this in their back yard)...

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Ive seen this before and this guy has had an epiphany. And he has finally woken up to the supposed cures are much worse than we have now.

People who ask you to pay for it are the same people who think you should pay for unfettered immigration welfare. Its worse than communism. Its idiocracy. Not even the communists were that stupid.
 
Quite so, and yet those meant to represent are ideologically inclined to industrialise the natural heritage of our land in the pursuit of their socialist agenda (making the other members of our union pay for their ill gotten and damaging gains), and care nothing for the real treasures of the land.

Like the farmed salmon industry destroying the wild creature, they privatise the profits whilst socialising and externalising the **** to the common people and their environment, which they value at naught.
 
I agree with a great deal that's been written on this subject but to me, the raft of problems we face are, in the main caused by one thing, overpopulation. There are too many people and what's the point in taking all these measures when you read that in a few years time the population will have grown enormously.
It's the same as when they built a new by-pass not far from me in the seventies because of traffic congestion, it solved the problem for a few years, now it's worse than it ever was.
Perhaps it's time people thought about limiting how many children they have, those who have four of five children certainly aren't helping their future?
 
old keeper said:
I agree with a great deal that's been written on this subject but to me, the raft of problems we face are, in the main caused by one thing, overpopulation. There are too many people and what's the point in taking all these measures when you read that in a few years time the population will have grown enormously.
It's the same as when they built a new by-pass not far from me in the seventies because of traffic congestion, it solved the problem for a few years, now it's worse than it ever was.
Perhaps it's time people thought about limiting how many children they have, those who have four of five children certainly aren't helping their future?
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Aye and it’s generally places like India Africa Asia etc that are having big families , still it’s easier to virtue signal at white westerners
 
If she was alive in the medieval period she would have been confirmed a witch, rather the same prejudice she spouts now, ranting as she does might well have brought a very severe end.
I never want to hear her name again even discussing her is pointless she is obviously beyond help and repeats what she is told.
Interesting that ONE of her 'conditions' means she should find it almost impossible to interact socially and speak at such events. She is just a 'construct'.
'm refraining from now on.
 
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