Hanoverian not Bavarian litter

[Wolverine]

Whoosh,set the fire burning
Wolverine,Baron and Jamross just call us the Holy Trinity like Best,Law and Charlton
Or the 3 Amigos
For a register of dogs to work they have to be a known standard
Handler and dog
Baron is correct in above post,quite simple
6pointer is also correct with it being voluntary

 

[cookingfat]

I am not so much thinking about compulsion by the state for approved tracking dogs but compulsion to have passed a test before you can be put on a tracking register.
Totally agree with a DMQ2 type of test. But it needs a large organisation to handle it. too big for an individual or even a swmall group.

As you know i have approched two of larger organistions only to be told it did'nt work 20+ years ago and it wont work now, I also know that one of the larger organistions top training people do not beleave that laying trails for dogs is the way to train deer dogs.

what chance do deer dogs and handlers have....!!!!

maybe a smaller group is the way forward at first.

 

[Cut+Squirt]

You have to admit, its fun though...

Oh yes, you can't beat a good bickering match with you three

 

[jamross65]

As you know i have approched two of larger organistions only to be told it did'nt work 20+ years ago and it wont work now, I also know that one of the larger organistions top training people do not beleave that laying trails for dogs is the way to train deer dogs.

what chance do deer dogs and handlers have....!!!!

maybe a smaller group is the way forward at first.

That's interesting. Because I would like to know how many stalkers actually used trained deer dogs 20-25 years ago. There will have been a few but I would like to know how much it has increased by to the present day.

I know quite a few stalkers, some with many years experience and I know that some of them still don't own their own trained deer dog. In this country I think it is a relatively new concept compared to other countries. I have been stalking for 25 years but only got a dog specifically for deer 9 years ago. Prior to that it was the pack of spaniels and labs let loose to (hopefully) find any deer.

This is not a dig at anyone, in fact it is quite commendable that folk offer their services because any dog is better than none, as has been said already. But, if there is no form of testing, and someone is called out and relied upon to find a wounded beast, and that search is unsuccessful, all parties go home satisfied. Well who is to say that a tried and tested dog would not have found it?

 

[Wolverine]

Absolutely correct along with a handler who knows what to look for at shot site
What about a double tier system for the UK,eg within the register dogs and handlers who are confident on hot tracks,eg less than 6 hours old and dogs and handlers who have also done colder tracks,tried and tested
Jamross and I have discussed this and think for the UK this is very applicable
Eg beast wounded at last light,normally over 6hours old,wounded at daybreak less than 6hours old
An interesting concept so people can get into said register,any other ideas/options?

 

[jamross65]

Absolutely correct along with a handler who knows what to look for at shot site
What about a double tier system for the UK,eg within the register dogs and handlers who are confident on hot tracks,eg less than 6 hours old and dogs and handlers who have also done colder tracks,tried and tested
Jamross and I have discussed this and think for the UK this is very applicable
Eg beast wounded at last light,normally over 6hours old,wounded at daybreak less than 6hours old
An interesting concept so people can get into said register,any other ideas/options?

Well you know my thoughts on it...

I do think that a form of register listing available dogs is not a bad thing, but I am also conscious of introducing more compulsory training/testing for anything else in this world TBH!!!

If nothing else it will get a few dog enthusiasts together every so often for a good argument, I mean discussion!!!

I think that perhaps we do have to acknowledge that things are done a bit different here than elsewhere in Europe in respect of stalking and the eventual tracking, but that does not mean that the basic and advanced training should be so different. It's application thereafter may vary somewhat depending on ground, species, handlers availability and so on but any properly trained deer dog should cope with that regardless of the challenge...

Many dog owners, including myself get a lot of enjoyment in watching their dogs work and will gladly offer their services to others. I do it all winter with my labs and spaniels. Then both benefit, the handler/dog in the practice and the stalker without a dog in getting his beast found. And we have to accept that not all stalkers can keep a dog.

Well, anyone can say they have a great deer-dog and folk who are desprately needing one will use it.

Keeping a dog for your own use is fine. If you are happy with performance who cares what anyone else thinks. But offering that sevice to someone who is relying on getting the best chance of finding his wounded deer should perhaps mean an element of proof being provided that the dog can do it in the first place.

This is just an observation for discussion so I would be interested in hearing from those offering the service already on how they explain the dogs ability to someone needing their assistance. None of my opinion is a meant as a criticism so do not take it that way.

I do not offer my current dog on the register as even for an 8 year old I do not think she has had to prove herself enough to be 100% confident that someone else will get the best service that is perhaps available from someone else and their dog.

 

[barongcw]

Well you know my thoughts on it...

I do think that a form of register listing available dogs is not a bad thing, but I am also conscious of introducing more compulsory training/testing for anything else in this world TBH!!!

If nothing else it will get a few dog enthusiasts together every so often for a good argument, I mean discussion!!!

I think that perhaps we do have to acknowledge that things are done a bit different here than elsewhere in Europe in respect of stalking and the eventual tracking, but that does not mean that the basic and advanced training should be so different. It's application thereafter may vary somewhat depending on ground, species, handlers availability and so on but any properly trained deer dog should cope with that regardless of the challenge...

Many dog owners, including myself get a lot of enjoyment in watching their dogs work and will gladly offer their services to others. I do it all winter with my labs and spaniels. Then both benefit, the handler/dog in the practice and the stalker without a dog in getting his beast found. And we have to accept that not all stalkers can keep a dog.

Well, anyone can say they have a great deer-dog and folk who are desprately needing one will use it.

Keeping a dog for your own use is fine. If you are happy with performance who cares what anyone else thinks. But offering that sevice to someone who is relying on getting the best chance of finding his wounded deer should perhaps mean an element of proof being provided that the dog can do it in the first place.

This is just an observation for discussion so I would be interested in hearing from those offering the service already on how they explain the dogs ability to someone needing their assistance. None of my opinion is a meant as a criticism so do not take it that way.

I do not offer my current dog on the register as even for an 8 year old I do not think she has had to prove herself enough to be 100% confident that someone else will get the best service that is perhaps available from someone else and their dog.

I wonder if you should not start a new thread. Most people will not see this.

 

[jamross65]

I wonder if you should not start a new thread. Most people will not see this.

You could be right, I will do that...