Head Shooting?

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The head shooting of deer has been covered at length in these forums, it is not accepted as “best practise” by organisations such as BASC yet in nearly every issue of BASC’s magazine, we have an article on the field use of air guns were head shooting is advocated as the norm.

Personally, at sensible ranges an airgun will kill its quarry with a body shot. The air gunners quarry may be smaller but to take of a beak/jaw with a badly placed pellet is as undesirable as doing that to a deer. Or are air gunners better shots who never miss?
 
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Personally, at sensible ranges an airgun will kill its quarry with a body shot. The air gunners quarry may be smaller but to take of a beak/jaw with a badly placed pellet is as undesirable as doing that to a deer. Or are air gunners better shots who never miss?
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The difference is there isn’t one. I certainly missed my fair share with my airgun.
It’s just as unacceptable to wound any animal.
 
I've said it before and no doubt i'll say it again - deer are put on a pedestal above all other animals, i dont know why but they are. Head shoot a fox, rabbit, crow, rat and its big high fives all round, head shoot a deer and your an irresponsible cowboy. I've also noticed it with distance as well as shot placement, shoot a deer at 300 yards your again an irresposible cowboy but shoot a fox at 500 yards high fives all round and big pat on the back.
 
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People are very keen to judge other people based purely on their own abilities and circumstances. The fact is that there are too many variables to possibly judge someone for doing what you wouldn't do on your stalk, with your equipment, your eyes and your rests because if you walked in their shoes you might!
Air rifles have moved on leaps and bounds in recent years. Shooting a rabbit in the head at 25 yards is child's play!
 
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Could it be because the head of a squirrel or magpie is almost the same size as it’s heart/lung area where as a deers heart and lung area would be bigger than its head?
 
About 45 yrs ago I started with a catapult and then got an air rifle with iron sights. Eventually got a scope and serious pest control started. As we ate or sold everything then we were so accomplished that head shots were the norm on rabbits, pigeon were chest shot facing or wing barr if side on. Moving on .22lr all rabbits head shot off bipod or sticks. When I started stalking deer they were chest shot but as I have obtained more knowledge and skill then head and neck shots are standard practice. However on fallow as I am still a complete novice so they are still chest shot.(also often very poor light so precision aiming is not viable) I routinely head shoot rabbits out to 200yds with my .204, most off quad sticks, this week I have head shot 3 foxs out to 200 yds again 1 off sticks , 2 off bipod with the .204.

I am still cannot understand why head/neck shooting deer is such an issue. If you have an accurate weapon, suitable steady rest and are not rushed at a range you are happy with then there should be no issue. It does help to have a sensible and experienced mentor to start with as I did and still have.

I spend a huge amount of time foxing and many a time spend minutes watching roe through my scope. I use it to evaluate their behavior and take the opportunity to select the best bullet placement. There are no nerves as I am not going to shoot the animal being incorrect calibre/sex of beast. Its time very well spent. All comes into play when you do take a beast.

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If you have the skill and experience( and solid rest ) do it ( Within reasonable distances ) if you aren’t confident then don’t ! Simple really
I think one needs to be 'suitably qualified' aswell, Jimbo, surely? HS1?

In case of doubt, I'm predicting a lock, at least one lifetime ban, and two suspensions within 30 posts... :rofl:

Might as well just have listened to @Klenchblaize in the beginning...
 
:rofl: this is getting silly now we all shoot deer and different circumstances dictate where the shot is placed but Carl that was funny I must admit
 
The head shooting of deer has been covered at length in these forums, it is not accepted as “best practise” by organisations such as BASC yet in nearly every issue of BASC’s magazine, we have an article on the field use of air guns were head shooting is advocated as the norm.

Personally, at sensible ranges an airgun will kill its quarry with a body shot. The air gunners quarry may be smaller but to take of a beak/jaw with a badly placed pellet is as undesirable as doing that to a deer. Or are air gunners better shots who never miss?

BASC!!!! Not a good organisation to quote Chris.
Best practice has been done to death and I well remember a certain cull in the Cairngorms carried out by people who spouted "Best Practice".
What a complete F up that was when you watched the 'Keepers video". Old Lord D must have been break dancing in his grave.
 
Here goes, controversial sensible debate time.

Engine room shots are "best practice" because those teaching the "craft" of deer shooting have to cater for the lowest common denominator. The engine room on a deer is the largest effective target area- look at the size of the scoring circle on a DSC target. To be considered suitably competent, a NOVICE needs to be able to score within a target area the size of a saucer.

Let's not beat about the bush. If after forty odd years of rifle shooting I was straying outside of that target area from 100 m, I'd think there was something seriously amiss with my rifle, ammo, scope or technique.

However, add in a few other factors. I can shoot pretty well. I'm not going to start a pis$ing contest, my circumstances, experience and whatever else mean I'm a confident shot at various ranges in many different sorts of conditions, but I have my achilles heel which is sticks. I know that shooting off sticks will rob me of the accuracy I can expect off bags, bonnets or bipods. Not enough to score outside of the magic saucer, but enough to tell me I won't be sure of hitting a golf ball at 100. And that is the target size of a brain shot on a deer. Yes, yes, if I were to use a frangible varmint round that sort of opens up my options, but the only head shots I've taken on deer have been on still days, at short ranges, and off a bipod. Even then I've had to be convinced the deer is relaxed and unlikely to move.

So, that's my experience and my personal mantra. Now add in the "expert" factor. Here's an example: Read any debate on Farcebook, or even to an extent on here, and you'll start to notice some serious gaps in people's knowledge and approach. One of my favourites is the old "where should I zero my rifle?" and you'll see an instant flood of "One inch high at 100" responses. So the novice swallows that whole, because all the old "experts" said so, and goes to a range where his round is striking one inch high of his aiming mark at 100 yards. He's now equipped to shoot anything between 50 and 200 yards (according to the experts). He then reads all the "head shot versus chest shot" debates and sees that "experts" can and regularly do shoot roe deer in the head at ever extending ranges. Now the last time this novice went to the range he managed a cracking "sub-moa " group at 100. He must now be approaching sniper status (in his own mind) so it's now safe to start shooting at deers' heads. After all, his rifle is perfectly set up with it's "one inch high at a hundred" zero, and 1 MOA is good enough for anything isn't it?.................... do you see where this is going? In the cold harsh light of reality we now have a rank novice, in proper field conditions, with a rifle and ammo combination that no one knows where exactly it is zeroed, because no-one thought to ask him how high his scope is, what calibre or MV his round is travelling at, and his true shooting ability is masked by the fluked inch groups he put into some paper on his second or third visit to the range. Is he going to hit a golf ball at 125 yards? At 75 yards? At 150 yards? Answers on a Doe's ear to the usual PO BOX .

That's why anybody worth their salt doesn't advocate anything other than engine room shots, no matter what the company they're in.

Skill, experience, and JUDGEMENT. Oh, and ideal conditions. Not the so-called wisdom of experts.
 
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