No. That reverses benzodiazapines (like diazepam = valium). The specific reversal agent in animals is Revivon. In people they use Nalaxone as the drug is an opioid - same drug they would give you if you overdosed on heroin. I said you'd die, I didn't say it would be a bad way to go............. If you had no Nalaxone available then you would use the Revivon in a person.Is the antidote flumazenil?
Wild or park? I feel the welfare is different since one is and one isn't a wild animal. Poor foot conformation can lead to toe overgrowth as can conditions that limit exercise such as arthritis. If it's wild I'd say shoot it as however pretty it is you may not want those genes passing on. You also open all sorts of cans of worms regarding meddling with nature. There has to be an underlying cause. If it's a park deer then it's your animal and you do what you see fit.Thanks for your honesty. As I said I do understand but on welfare grounds I feel a responsibility to look into it. I currently have a stag who has a lovelly pair of slippers on and there are two options. One is to shoot him and the other is to put him to sleep while I cut his toe nails. Not keen on one. Or is doing nothing an option?
Everything is hard and dry around here at the moment even the stream beds. Normally it would be soft which I guess could be a contributory factor. Have been thinking about the surface since I spotted the problem but I cant see a solution in the short term.Could prevention possibly have been better than cure? I can't say yes or no due to not knowing your circumstances but do you have hard surfaces for them to walk on? Is the park wet all the time? Can you not concrete around drinkers or feed areas so animals have to walk on rough ,hard ground.
Your absolutely correct of course cyber but as you know the presence of handling facilities has significant implications.Hi Howa,
It's always interesting to hear others views on use of Immobilon and the various arguments for and against. There is no doubting that provided you can actually get it into a (preferably quiet and not stressed up ) deer then it serves a purpose. However given the problems of acquiring and using the drug and the inevitable expense involved you can see why it has become used less in recent years. As you know I design and sell deer handling systems so you need to consider my comments as biased but over the years I reckon that the cumulative cost for many people in paying to have stags darted for de-antlering, hinds for difficult calvings and other deer darted just to move them would have gone a long way to paying for a permanent facility that could then be used at a moments notice any day of the year.
I am glad that these discussions are taking place here and that interested folk are being made aware of the problems. A useful public service I reckon.
If the ability to handle the animals does not mark the difference between park and farm, what does?Not sure which implications you are referring to but yes there are lots of grey areas. I am not aware that the existence of handling facilities automatically drops you into any particular category that would be either advantageous or disadvantageous. I have supplied handling systems to many deer parks that still operate just as parks and there are deer farms that operate under full red meat regs that have absolutely no handling facilities.
It was a stupid comment on my behalf. I was merely pointing out that shooting something with a rifle tends to be fatal and with no antidote. The risk seems to be more for the user/operator than anyone else and as I would be that person I would like to think I should be the one to take the decision as to whether the risk is worth it or not. Worth pointing out that I would be some way away when the drug was being injected.Regarding the comment equating the risk of immobilon with that of a firearm. In my opinion they are completely different, the trouble is that the risks with immobilon are so subtle but yet so significant, like apache said all it takes is a needle to blow off whilst injecting or a drop on your skin then transferred to your mouth and it could be game over.