But I thought xylazine is Rompun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylazine
G,day
Rompun (
xylazine) is used to velvet all red deer down here which don't go into a hydraulic crush.
Why risk a years return from each animal, smashing the velvet in a drop floor.Also using
xylazine is more humane.
Straight rompun is far better on reds than on fallow.
If you use someone with experience on fallow it would be good to get their opinion about the reds.
I have always used 100mg and have never used 300mg. I typically use 2cc for my 2 year olds. Lately I have begun to use 3cc on those that are 3 years old and older even though much of the time 2cc is enough. Wish they made a 2 1/2cc dart. Variables on dosage sometimes lend themselves to why you are knocking them down. And once in awhile you can run into a deer that is
Xylazine resistant and requires more than the ''normal working dosage''.
Not trying to be clever Apache but if the Americans use it and so do the Australians and if it has a witholding time here and if the name immobillon sends shivers down vets backs then it sounds like Xylazine is the way to go.
Fewer health and safety issues, a withdrawal period and a happier vet. Or am I reading it wrong again.
Just found this.
this is a conversation from another forum answering an English deer keepers question on Xylazine.
I am the Aus farmer/game manager & actually use xylazine on red deer.This is the first pharagraph,notice I did not give the dose.
The second pharagraph is from a whitetail breeder in the US.These doses relate to his experience with whitetail not reds.
Xylazine alone is much better on red deer than it is on fallow.
On quiet & captive deer its all thats required if the user understands its limits & has good skill & stockmanship.Cover the eyes & no noise ASAP is the way.
If they're stirred up,stop,& come back another day,or use an anasthetic with the tranquiliser.
I will use azaperone (6 hours withholding down here) with xylazine if the with holding is a problem on reds.(Ive just moved 36 eastern reds from a large enclosure where they were being poached,so you can imagine their temperament,with this brew).
I dry the xylazine to 200mg to the cc & the stresnil (azaperone)to 80mg to the cc so as to get more in the dart.Check your licence frirst?
Xylazine alone is not as effective on fallow (tame deer its ok) so I always use an anasthetic,one of the cyclohexanes.Ketamine is an S8 here,its cheap but to much trouble,& can have bad side effects.Telazol/Zoletil is better than ketamine,with fewer problems,it is more expensive though.
On wild reds I use the Zoletil with xylazine,& reverse after 45mins with yohimbine.
I haven't used an opioid for capture in years.To much paperwork & not needed on the dozen or so species of deer & antelope I work with.
The negative & this is a big consideration.These drugs are not as instantly reversable as an opioid,again planning & stockmanship are more important with these alternatives.
Its interesting seeing a capture franchise starting in the Uk.
Down here we do a uni course,& refreshers every three years,are registered with the firearms registry & the vet board.
We must have an established professional relationship with a vet & work under their suppervision (beside you, if an opiod) every mg is registered & an annual return /audit on med's.
We can not charge a fee for the service,unless a vet!
I can only dart my own deer(or my managers can with proof of the relationship/ownership)& must take complete responsability for the welfare of the animal.There is no doubt who will be charged if things go sour.
I get lots of free deer (but? time/drugs) enjoy the challenge & love working with deer,so mostly its a public relations exercise,"Hunter saves bambi".
A business with profit??
As for experience,Ive met very few good capture experts in my forty years on deer.Maybe three I would recomend,two are wildlife vets.
Deer breeders/farmers/keepers are wise to have this skill & ability,but I have never seen a deer business run of the end of a dart gun.
Cheers Sharkey
