And the human waste farms have spread on the ground is full of microplastics so the farms are to blame also the people providing it.
Interesting article on 243, BASC magazine
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Also full of synthetic hormone residue from birth control products and menopause HRT.And the human waste farms have spread on the ground is full of microplastics so the farms are to blame also the people providing it.
Any mention of Brexit?
lots and lots of products we buy as consumers have to meet safety or environmental standards, it’s not legislation per se, so yes if cartridge manufacturers are going to claim the wads are environmentally safe they should have to prove it by meeting a standard, if not may just as well shoot single use plastic wads.
I am sure the landowners will take comfort from your practical demonstration that the ingest of plastic wads has no ill effects when you eat a few on a youtube video.
I was once beating on a shoot a good few years ago and one of the drives was across recently worked fields. Something was odd about them and then when I got closer the land was littered with a huge number of boil in the bag meals, still in the bags!
It evidently a consignment of ‘free’ fertiliser from a local factory, God know how many tons of plastic Mr Farmer ploughed in, but hey his corn grew a bit better the next year and possibly the one after that. 20 years later I dare say if I was to revisit I would still find a lot of fragments of plastic food packaging in the soil
It evidently a consignment of ‘free’ fertiliser from a local factory, God know how many tons of plastic Mr Farmer ploughed in, but hey his corn grew a bit better the next year and possibly the one after that. 20 years later I dare say if I was to revisit I would still find a lot of fragments of plastic food packaging in the soil
what a shock...
Member organisations are famous for letting the shooting community down on actual eductation rather than promoting themselves as lobby organisations.
The non lead shotgun world is no different
the artical above came with a link to the test results
when you actually looked at the results they didnt mirror the "findings" and "recommendations"
At the time we supplied 100gr non lead that was not only more accurate, more energy it also ticked the legislation at the time.
But that is not news worthy compared to lobbying to change legislation
There are literally hundreds of non lead options for the range of sporting cartridges
The only ones with any kind of contentious weight to twiost rate are .222, .22-250 and .243 (which is now not even an issue since the Scottish min weight was dropped)
All of the above have available, factory, deer legal options in 50 and 100g
Old Shotguns with 2.5" chambers have a range of standard performance, non lead cartridges readily available from Eley, Hull etc
but everyone is still being told they will have to give up Grandpa's Purdeys "when the ban comes in"
Conor O'Gorman
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Perhaps what you think you wrote and what you actually wrote do not match up. If I misread it fair enough. Thanks for explaining that the contractor is worried that horses might ingest plastic wads and become ill as a result. My understanding from your initial post was that it was concern for microplastics impact on the crop itself. Either way there is no evidence of adverse impacts from plastic wads. Shotgun wads can be sometimes eaten by livestock and there is anecdotal evidence that felt wads are more likely to be eaten than plastic wads because they are more palatable. However, there has not been any scientific research investigating toxic effects to livestock of eating shotgun wads of any type; albeit there is a perception that plastic wads could pose a risk to livestock because they there are more visible to us on the land. There is lots of scientific studies of adverse impacts from lead shot so to dismiss all that science for lead shot but to believe there is an adverse impact from plastic wads without any actual evidence is rather selective.CONOR, I POSTED IT IS GROWN ON CONTRACT FOR DENGIE HORSE FEEDS
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The Alfalfa crops in Essex grown under contract are shot with fibre wad no restriction on lead just fibre was (no plastic allowed)
This has been like that for many years and Terry B lives/shoots in Essex so he should know.
THE LAND OWNERS ONLY PROVIDE THE LAND AND THE DRILLING!
DENGIE COME IN AND CUT IT THEN TAKE IT AWAY AT THEIR COST, BUT WHEN IT IS SHOT FOR CROP PROTECTION THEN FIBRE WADS ARE STIPULATED BY THEM.
Please show SD where I said the LANDOWNER is worried about the horses?
With respect
It is no good telling us about lead shot when you can't grasp as simple facts also disappointing your keep repeating about lead shot when the issue is plastic wad/cups.
The problem is with a lot of people who feed you this tosh is they work in offices and going over a speed bump is considered "off road"
Conor, The last thing a Racehorse owner wants is plastic wads in horse feed is that close enough.
microplastics impact on the crop comes from human waste which is a whole different subject lol
Why don't you ring Dengie Horse Feeds and ask them.
01621 773883
No wonder we are on a hiding to nothing with some of your response's I am sorry to say.
Smellydog
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My apologies. I've learnt something new today.
However, I and quite possibly you are at greater risk from rta whilst driving and believe it or not from deer themselves than I am from my lead pipe, statistically.
I am delighted that you found it a nice thing that you thought I was writing my own obituary and has thus assured me of my assessment of you.
Good evening.
Conor O'Gorman
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Despite our best endeavours I think we still have some crossed wires on this. I suggest we talk on the phone. PM sent.
Smellydog
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Changing tac slightly...
With imminent war on the horizone is it possible that advisor's tell his majesties government to tell HSE to shut up?
I'm not 100% sure but would not be surprised in the slightest if the boys and girls at Radway Green aren't overtiming like mad right now!!
Or am I way off.... again?
With imminent war on the horizone is it possible that advisor's tell his majesties government to tell HSE to shut up?
I'm not 100% sure but would not be surprised in the slightest if the boys and girls at Radway Green aren't overtiming like mad right now!!
Or am I way off.... again?
Conor O'Gorman
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The HSE is no longer involved. It submitted its findings to the government in December 2024 after a 3 year review and the government made its decision in July 2025 to bring in a ban from 2029. BASC continues to argue for a longer time period as it did during the HSE review and conflicts abroad and impact on components for ammunition are amongst the arguments BASC made then and will continue to make. The Gun Trade Association and British Shooting Sports Council are also involved. BASC is holding a rural reception with Angling Trust at the Labour conference. We were at the Reform conference a few days ago and will also be at other party conferences. Political engagement is important to help raise awareness of our concerns and influence policy. That is why it would be helpful to get behind the organisations, or at least not be seeking to knock them on this forum, BASC especially. Food for thought.
The crossed wires is you don't understand that the people who grow Lucerne in Essex don't want plastic wads in there crop so they stipulate fibre wad.
If you don't understand please find one of your team that does (good luck with that)
Conor O'Gorman
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I can't speak for other organisations, but given my involvement with BASC for decades I have seen first hand the huge amount of educational work that is carried out by staff and volunteers. This is directly at shows and events with people that shoot and members of the public. This is also engagement with young people in schools. There is also the myriad communications we produce online and into the press, local and national. Then there are all the codes of practice and setting standards. There is also all the political engagement. Party conference season is underway and BASC is talking to the MPs and their advisors across the politcal spectrum. And as regards the transition away from lead shot BASC has done a lot of education over the last 5 years, including myriad shoot visits and workshops.
Here is the latest example of education from today's weekly BASC update:
BASC East team delivers countryside skills day for pupils
Children at Barnham CEVC Primary School in Suffolk recently joined BASC’s Eastern Region team for a countryside skills day.
basc.org.uk
enfieldspares
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Outwith yours, and mine, and Uncle Tom's and everyone else's disagreements over .243", .22 Rimfire shotguns and 9mm Rimfire shotguns, and Deer Act lead buckshot and lead slug does this decision to bring in a ban now need to go before a vote in Parliament in BOTH Houses or can it be done merely by "instrument"?
Conor O'Gorman
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As I understand things it will be by statutory instrument so there will be no 'vote' or discussion.
democracy in action
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