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Is BASC membership worth it?
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Sadly looks as though all the BASC DSC1 courses in the South East are fully booked until the end of the year, the same same with BDS:
events.basc.org.uk
Jelen seem the closest, but that would mean a trip to Hampshire:
www.premierwildlife.co.uk
Deer Stalking Certificate 1 – BASC – Events and Courses
events.basc.org.uk
Jelen seem the closest, but that would mean a trip to Hampshire:
PDS1 - Proficient Deer Stalking Certificate Level 1 Deer Management Course
PDS1 - Proficient Deer Stalking Certificate Level 1 is a nationally recognised Deer Management Course, accredited by LANTRA and UK Rural Skills (UKRS)
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Hey Willie, you take your life in your hands eating there. I lived in the Border hills and keepered just outside Moffat, you can still see my heather burns on the hill from the motorway. I had never heard of the Moffat Spitfire, unless it was Janice who lived ...........It was 11 years ago.
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I still think of it when Mrs Gunn and I go past the Black Bull pub in Moffat as we head to The Rumblin’ Tum for breakfast. She is also heartily sick of me insisting we drive up and see the Moffat Spitfire every time too
To be fair to BASC, if you look at that thread @David BASC responded to it even back then.
I seem to recall the argument at the time was that BASC should run a forum for their members,o somewhat akin to SD, as a way of gaining feedback. I am still not sure that would be the best investment of their time and money, though, as I can imagine they would spend most of their time sorting out the trolls.
They have had a membership area of the BASC website for some years now, not that I ever use it
Still a long way to Ben Armine from there
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Oracle
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BASC range days are great value. £40 odd quid for the whole day to shoot across several ranges run by BSRC. Statics, electronics and moving target. Must have your own FAC but no requirement for SSC required as you will be supervised 121, although you can take the SSC Assessment on the day. Cheap when you consider the NRA is £50:00 plus for an hour, or private range such as West London Shooting School is about £76:00 per hour.
The full size spitfire was hand-built by a retired GP. It sits in his front garden and you can see it on Google Streetview:Hey Willie, you take your life in your hands eating there. I lived in the Border hills and keepered just outside Moffat, you can still see my heather burns on the hill from the motorway. I had never heard of the Moffat Spitfire, unless it was Janice who lived ...........
The Moffat Spitfire
There’s a nice article about it here: Hamish raises thousands with home-made Spitfire
The best thing about the Rumblin’ Tum is that we can park the car with the dogs directly outside and keep an eye one them. Not sure about the overall cooking, but their sausage and bacon rolls take some beating!
I can only assume that my having left the area in 2008 Dr McLeod has since built the Spitfire. Very attractive but the other Spitfire Janice..........The full size spitfire was hand-built by a retired GP. It sits in his front garden and you can see it on Google Streetview:
The Moffat Spitfire
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There’s a nice article about it here: Hamish raises thousands with home-made Spitfire
The best thing about the Rumblin’ Tum is that we can park the car with the dogs directly outside and keep an eye one them. Not sure about the overall cooking, but their sausage and bacon rolls take some beating!
Yes, it was finished in 2009 I think:I can only assume that my having left the area in 2008 Dr McLeod has since built the Spitfire. Very attractive but the other Spitfire Janice..........
Of course Moffat was the birthplace of ACM Hugh Dowding, AOC RAF Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain, and there’s a nice memorial to him in the town.
Not sure there’s a memorial to Janice…..
It is a long way from Ben Armine, but it was only ever our breakfast stop. It meant we were over halfway there, and other than the vagaries of the motorway around Glasgow it signified we had broken the back of the journey North.
Wonder if that pane of glass still survives.
Yes and for the vast majority of people any queries they have are sorted out well before the litigation phase.... using the firearms dept to intercede or tell you what to say sorts most. Of all of the ones that went to legal advice, in the year prior to it being stopped, there were only 15 cases that the lawyers thought had any case to answer at all and I believe all were sorted before they had spent as much as the excess was on the policy! ie BASC paid it themselves before the insurance kicked in.
In many cases, the person thought they had been wronged, but they hadn't when looked at by solicitors.
As with a lot of things in life, people expectations far exceed reality
I know of someone who was told that the reason for the police taking his weapons and FAC away had happened before he became a BASC member, so they would not pay for any lawyer but just gave him the name of a recommended barrister. It cost him c£2,000 to 'get it sorted' in court.
Rewulf
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That simply isnt true is it ?
There were 15 cases that were 'taken on' where they knew they couldnt lose.
The rest ? Well BASC didnt fancy wasting money fighting for the members, so they left them to the wolves.
Maybe all shooting orgs are the same, maybe not, hopefully most of us never have to find out, but dont pretend BASC , when they had legal cover, stepped up to the plate, because they havent , and now , never will.
Just to get back to the insurance theme. If you want to know about a specific situation then just ask. For example, I wanted to know if I was covered for third party risks when practising but not actually shooting in a punt (many launch areas need evidence of this). An e-mail to David Ilsley produced a detailed and positive answer which has gone into my file marked "afloat". It makes more sense to me than asking random people on a forum or on FB.
Rewulf
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You cant touch me Sir ! BASC said I could do it , and thats good enough for any man , damn you !
Rewulf
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No Basil, my response was supposed to be amusing, but it clearly missed its mark with you.
I'm sure you and the other 4 people who's BASCs learned advice assisted, will be grateful.
Rewulf, I don't wish to get into a silly spat but the point is that I got hard information (not advice) when I actually asked for it. It can be done.
To digress, my involvement with WAGBI/BASC goes back to my school days - over 60 years - and I am a life member so I can't really walk off in a huff.
I have been involved in shooting politics for a lot of this time, and I do not find it easy to forgive the poor decision-making, the calculated loss of their best staff, and the intransigence over risking money in going to court ! I remain good friends with more than one ex-staffer and I acknowledge that there are some very good folk still working there. However, the overall performance is poor and the management is and has been grim. I don't know how we improve things : some good men who have got onto Council have given up and walked away, having been beaten by a system of governance that gives far too much power to senior staff at Council level. Although imperfect, BASC still performs more effectively overall than the other organisations (which doesn't say much for them !) but we must find ways to make them up their game.
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To digress, my involvement with WAGBI/BASC goes back to my school days - over 60 years - and I am a life member so I can't really walk off in a huff.
I have been involved in shooting politics for a lot of this time, and I do not find it easy to forgive the poor decision-making, the calculated loss of their best staff, and the intransigence over risking money in going to court ! I remain good friends with more than one ex-staffer and I acknowledge that there are some very good folk still working there. However, the overall performance is poor and the management is and has been grim. I don't know how we improve things : some good men who have got onto Council have given up and walked away, having been beaten by a system of governance that gives far too much power to senior staff at Council level. Although imperfect, BASC still performs more effectively overall than the other organisations (which doesn't say much for them !) but we must find ways to make them up their game.
Rant ends.
bottletopbill
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Lets us not forget we employ them and we should be able to vote every few years on on the council level and senior staff. For BASC to be able to continue for the future of shooting.
Bill, you can only vote on Council membership. Council sets broad policy rather than dealing with the details. It has an unusual number of ex officio senior staff attending which is unusual as in similar bodies only the CEO would be present most of the time with senior staffers just invited in when appropriate. Just as with many governing bodies in business and in government, much of the power is with an inner executive committee.
The number of members who vote in Council elections is, and has always been, incredibly small. Because of this you can get your candidate(s) elected by persuading a relatively small number of members to vote but it is incredibly hard work. I have been involved in this in pre social media days with some success.
The number of members who vote in Council elections is, and has always been, incredibly small. Because of this you can get your candidate(s) elected by persuading a relatively small number of members to vote but it is incredibly hard work. I have been involved in this in pre social media days with some success.
and medicals, and lead and 10 year certs and dumping legal insurance and Firearms consultation etc etc ................................ I suspect many on here would do their own firearms negotiations when things go awry - I know I do .......so as I said its Insurance and that's available almost anywhere cheaper.
Why are those who favour BASC prepared to be blinkered in print ?
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