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And I've found something suggesting the amendment might have been withdrawn?
JimmySticks
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I have 2 identical SAK moderators. One is on one of my 22lr's, the other is on an air rifle. Bought both rifles like that (from RFD'S iirc) and have had both for years!
As the SAK is 'designed for use with a S1 firearm', is it now illegal for me to possess it for my air rifle? Well, no because I currently have an FAC, but when and if I should ever relinquish said FAC, would it then become illegal for me to possess? It's never been illegal for me to have it up to now despite it never being 'granted' or ever taking up a slot on my ticket.
I'm very glad that mods have come off ticket, but the requirement of having and FAC in order to legally possess one is not exactly a perfect solution.
Jim
As the SAK is 'designed for use with a S1 firearm', is it now illegal for me to possess it for my air rifle? Well, no because I currently have an FAC, but when and if I should ever relinquish said FAC, would it then become illegal for me to possess? It's never been illegal for me to have it up to now despite it never being 'granted' or ever taking up a slot on my ticket.
I'm very glad that mods have come off ticket, but the requirement of having and FAC in order to legally possess one is not exactly a perfect solution.
Jim
The PDF linked here is only 6 pages and contains only select amendments, not the whole bill (now act)
I’ve seen nothing to suggest the moderator deregulation has been dropped, the full act should be available on Legislation.gov.uk soon
nf-fuse
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They haven't come off ticket though.
It would not be illegal because it could feasibly be used on a non-FAC air rifle
Only a moderator which can ONLY be used on a section 1 firearm will be subject to possession of an FAC
Rake Aboot
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There are no moderators for .22 cal that can only be used on section 1
All can be used on air rifles.
You can use a 6mm mod on an air rifle if you choose
Trying to find it again and struggling but it may be the original was withdrawn as the government then tabled its own version. Will post if I can find it.
Edit- yes, looks like I'd misunderstood originally and the only evidence I can now find of it being withdrawn is the below which was the original amendment before the government then tabled their own version.
Also looks like the government have a month or so to review proscribing certain Iranian organisations.
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And I'm presuming that's exactly where you lost us
What a daft thing to say
Might try and make my own t8... some steel penny washers, a tube and a welder
Grinder and paint will make me the welder i ain't
Are there moderators which can be used only on S1 firearms?
The two main amendments that I can see are Amendments 196 and 473 which were both passed, all the legalese doesnt paste very well from the documents but the way I read it is that there there is a definition of:
“Relevant accessory” means an accessory to a firearm to which section 1
applies which is designed or adapted to diminish the noise or flash caused
by firing the firearm.”
And then they have added an exemption schedule that basically means you can hold a "relevant accessory" if you have a firearms certificate, shotgun certificate, are on a section 7 temporary permit or borrowing under section 11/11a for sporting/hunting purposes
Full document of the amendments here but its a little wordy:
Why try to find problems where there aren't any?
If you have a firearm and use your mod (an air rifle one or not) then you'll have the FAC or legal excuse for the firearm or be in bigger trouble than just using the wrong mod.
If you're using it on your air rifle, there's no FAC issue to worry about.
timbrayford
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Without referring back to the relevant paragraphs of the Firearms Act it is by no means clear whether you will be able to order a sound moderator remotely without all the bother of face to face transactions.
Hopefully a reputable organisation like the NGO will offer some guidance on this, recent experience of them successfully taking on West Mercia FLD's "interpretation" of the Firearms Act re. S1 shotguns for pest control was very encouraging.
Yes this is the important question that needs to be clarified - it will be a pretty pointless “deregulation” if RFD transfers and face to face sales are still required.
JimmySticks
Active Member
Genuinely not trying to invent a problem. Just pointing out that the wording of the bill is problematic.
Yes I'm fine for now, as long as I have my FAC, but my question was once I don't have FAC, but I still have my sub-12 ft/lb air rifle with the SAK mod on it, then I will be in possession of a moderator designed for use on S1 firearms, without an FAC to permit me to own it.
So either .22cal moderators become de facto illegal for use on sub-12 air rifles (unless you happen to also have an FAC fornsomethjng else), or manufacturers will have to start making 'air rifle only' moderators that are not designed for use on a S1 firearm.
That's all now course if I've read the wording correctly, which I may not have, but from what I've seen so far, reading the exact wording (and the law is all about exactly what the wording is!), that's the situation as I see it.
It risks making criminals of 1000's of legitimate air rifle owners who have mods on their rifles, but no FAC.
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