Lever action

[alberta boy]

Is the 45/70 accurate, yes. My first ever experience was shooting toonies (Canadian one dollar coin) with @alberta boy 's daughter. Great fun.

Does it kick like hell…..not with factory ammo.

Does it have knockdown power…..so far I have shot black bear, whitetail and then on 'liberating' the rifle from its Albertan captor, back here lots of fallow with it. Nothing as of yet has moved after the shot using hornady 325grain ftx leverevolution.

Couple of pics of its journey. The story of the three 45/70's one evening is a great memory, but maybe not one to publish on the internet mine is the top one that is scoped. Guys tend to use iron sights in Canada…..

That reminds me , I lost my Remington Model 725 in 30/06 at that shooting session . I told my daughter if she could blow the center out of the toonie , the rifle was hers . She did , at 100 yards , so it is . I believe you and my brother went and burned off a lot of 45 ACP through his 1911 on the same trip . Again , great memories .

AB

 

[alberta boy]

Variation has gone in for a 45-70

Not a bad trade for my unused 22 moderator slot!

Consider yourself enabled .

The Enabler

 

[SimpleSimon]

Consider yourself enabled .

The Enabler

If I knew you for real, I think you're the type of person who would cause my wife to roll her eyes when I mentioned you!

That's a compliment!

 

[alberta boy]

If I knew you for real, I think you're the type of person who would cause my wife to roll her eyes when I mentioned you!

That's a compliment!

I get that a lot actually .

AB

 

[Rob-E]

Since stalker308 hasn't responded , I'll jump in . The process was quite simple , but a bit spread out . Stalker308 has come out a number of times hunting with me and the clan . He's always wanted to take a nice Black Bear , so a few years back we managed to get him a nice example , pictured above . I lent him my Marlin 45/70 for the hunt , he has a 30/06 that he keeps here , but he wanted to use the lever gun for bear . He made a great shot at about 150 yards or so and dropped the bear in it's tracks . He instantly became a 45/70 convert . He was coming back out the next year and asked me to find him a Marlin in 45/70 for our next hunt . I asked him if he wanted mine as it was the rifle he took his bear with . He laughed and said that was what he had in mind , but didn't want to ask . Needless to say , the rifle was his . He put in for a variation on his licence and got it , I gave him the serial number and the rifle was registered on his FAC in the UK . When he came out the following year , he took it home with him after the hunt . There is no paperwork on this end , and since it was on his FAC he just took it through customs and then home . He may have had some minor paperwork on his end , but nothing major . He's actually coming out again this Fall along with Scrumbag , we're going up in the Northern Rockies where the Griz are , there will be a few 45/70s in hand , hopefully I'll get to keep mine this time , we'll see lol .

AB

Thanks.
So, in Theory if my summer holiday occurred in the states and I found a 30-30 I could add it to the slot on my certificate and enter the UK legally with it at the end of the holiday?

 

[LeftHandGuy]

Thanks.
So, in Theory if my summer holiday occurred in the states and I found a 30-30 I could add it to the slot on my certificate and enter the UK legally with it at the end of the holiday?

Presumably legal from the UK side. Although whether you could legally acquire that here as a non-resident alien I do not know. To bring a firearm to the US as a non resident or non-immigrant you need to have completed a Form 6NIA, but once here it would depend at least on what state you were in, and it might be illegal federally for you to buy and posses it. It would probably be legal for you to buy it and get it shipped to an RFD in the UK.

If you had a hunting license for the state you were in, and if that state allowed a 30-30 for hunting (several states ban rifles, and some ban bottle neck cartridges) then even on an ESTA it looks like you could:

If you are thinking about it, do your homework!!

May aliens legally in the United States purchase firearms? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

An alien legally in the U.S. is not prohibited from purchasing firearms unless the alien is admitted into the U.S. under a nonimmigrant visa and does not meet one of the exceptions as provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as possession of a valid hunting license or permit. [18 U.S.C. 922 (d)(5)...

www.atf.gov

 

[Rob-E]

Presumably legal from the UK side. Although whether you could legally acquire that here as a non-resident alien I do not know. To bring a firearm to the US as a non resident or non-immigrant you need to have completed a Form 6NIA, but once here it would depend at least on what state you were in, and it might be illegal federally for you to buy and posses it. It would probably be legal for you to buy it and get it shipped to an RFD in the UK.

If you had a hunting license for the state you were in, and if that state allowed a 30-30 for hunting (several states ban rifles, and some ban bottle neck cartridges) then even on an ESTA it looks like you could:

If you are thinking about it, do your homework!!

May aliens legally in the United States purchase firearms? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

An alien legally in the U.S. is not prohibited from purchasing firearms unless the alien is admitted into the U.S. under a nonimmigrant visa and does not meet one of the exceptions as provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as possession of a valid hunting license or permit. [18 U.S.C. 922 (d)(5)...

www.atf.gov

Thank you.
I have tried looking into it before from a UK perspective and have emailed a few US based shops/dealers but didn’t get a response from any of them.

 

[LeftHandGuy]

Thank you.
I have tried looking into it before from a UK perspective and have emailed a few US based shops/dealers but didn’t get a response from any of them.

One of the problems you will face is that a gun shop has to complete a background check for any gun sale, and you have to complete a Form 4473, and most of them would choke on the fact that there wouldn't be any way to run a check on you.

However, in some states, like mine, private sales of ordinary long guns do not have to be registered. So you could come here and buy my 30-30 (provided you had a hunting license or some other qualification the ATF want). It would then be MY responsibility to ensure that you were not a "prohibited person".

On the other hand, if you saw one online, and asked me to buy it, so that you could then buy it from me, I believe that could be construed as a "straw purchase" which would be illegal, although I doubt it would ever be pursued.

But yeah, if you ever want to hunt in PA you're welcome to borrow my 30-30. It's tatty as all hell though so I'd be surprised if you or anyone wanted to buy it!

 

[stalker.308]

Thanks.
So, in Theory if my summer holiday occurred in the states and I found a 30-30 I could add it to the slot on my certificate and enter the UK legally with it at the end of the holiday?

States if a different kettle of fish, mine came from Canada.

It was 7 years ago so I do forgive @alberta boy for slightly forgetting, but he got me an export permit which came from Ottawa, but the export department asked for an email copy of my firearms certificate with the relevant space on it. Soon as they had sight of it it was issued.

Your FAC with the appropriate slot for that calibre is your import licence. Now technically with your Canadian export licence in your hand, as you pass through British customs they should fill it out in your FAC and then you simply notify your firearms department of your acquisition, however the import team notoriously don’t know what to do. Knowing this, @alberta boy filled out my FAC. Both Canadian customs and British Customs didn’t care and my firearms department I just sent the export permit copy.

Despite sounding complex, the only bit that was any work was the export permit, which was ready in 3 weeks.

 

[Rob-E]

Thank you. That seems far simpler than buying from the UK, and importing. Looks like I’ll just have to head to the states/Canada.

 

[alberta boy]

Thanks.
So, in Theory if my summer holiday occurred in the states and I found a 30-30 I could add it to the slot on my certificate and enter the UK legally with it at the end of the holiday?

I'm not familiar with US regulations , you'd have to look into that .

AB

 

[alberta boy]

States if a different kettle of fish, mine came from Canada.

It was 7 years ago so I do forgive @alberta boy for slightly forgetting, but he got me an export permit which came from Ottawa, but the export department asked for an email copy of my firearms certificate with the relevant space on it. Soon as they had sight of it it was issued.

Your FAC with the appropriate slot for that calibre is your import licence. Now technically with your Canadian export licence in your hand, as you pass through British customs they should fill it out in your FAC and then you simply notify your firearms department of your acquisition, however the import team notoriously don’t know what to do. Knowing this, @alberta boy filled out my FAC. Both Canadian customs and British Customs didn’t care and my firearms department I just sent the export permit copy.

Despite sounding complex, the only bit that was any work was the export permit, which was ready in 3 weeks.

I forgot about that , in my defense , I had a lot of fun in the 70's . It took one phone call on my end and it was sorted , no biggie .

AB

 

[alberta boy]

Oh no.....

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I'm waiting to find out if my bid was successful on a H&R Officers Model Trapdoor , I'll know this Friday . It's starting bid price is a lot higher than the above rifle , which is very similiar .

AB

 

[Smellydog]

I'm waiting to find out if my bid was successful on a H&R Officers Model Trapdoor , I'll know this Friday . It's starting bid price is a lot higher than the above rifle , which is very similiar .

AB

Now don't you go and start working on me AB, I know your type, now stop it!!

 

[Foxyboy43]

Very interesting thread chaps - thanks for the many contributions.
I had the pleasure of shooting a pal’s very elderly Winchester 30/30 (his late father’s) every time I visited him in PA. I found it to be the sweetest rifle to shoot, very accurate and little recoil but nearly went off it entirely when Mrs FB shot it better than either of us.
In many great conversations, watching the sun set whilst sitting on his porch, accompanied by a liberal helping of Wild Turkey or somesuch and watching the deer a mere 10 feet below us eating his Hosta, we chatted about the old gun and the number of White-tailed deer it had accounted for both in his late father’s and more recently his own times. As you would expect he was amazed by the various muzzle energy requirements for shooting deer in the UK and any concerns about the 30/30’s ability to dispatch our larger species - particularly as in his opinion this chambering had probably accounted for more american deer than all the others put together!
This thread has not only reminded me of our great times together sitting on his porch (sadly not to be repeated due to his untimely death) but served to further emphasise the nonsense that is our current firearms minimum requirements - for those of us this side of the Pond who are not familiar with the White-tailed the following may be of some interest:-
White-tailed Deer
North American male deer (also known as a buck) usually weigh 68 to 136 kg (150 to 300 lb),[11] but mature bucks over 180 kg (400 lb) have been recorded in the northernmost reaches of their native range, namely Minnesota, Ontario, and Manitoba. The female (doe) in North America usually weighs from 40 to 90 kg (88 to 198 lb).
European Fallow Deer
Adult bucks are typically 60–100 kg (130–220 lb) in weight; does are 30–50 kg (66–110 lb) in weight. The largest bucks may weigh 150 kg (330 lb).
Red deer
The male (stag) red deer typically weighs 160 to 240 kg (350 to 530 lb); the female (hind) often weighs 120 to 170 kg (260 to 370 lb).
As can be seen the White-tailed is significantly larger than our Fallow but notably smaller than the Red. Unlike it’s european cousin the fallow,
the White-tailed deer is particularly well known in it’s home country for it’s endearing tendency to fall over dead when hit by a 30/30.
Nuff said.

 

[stalker.308]

I forgot about that , in my defense , I had a lot of fun in the 70's . It took one phone call on my end and it was sorted , no biggie .

AB

You’d undersold your effort was all! Don’t you remember him ringing you and speaking French…..

 

[scrumbag]

So @SimpleSimon , you've been @Albertaboy 'd!

SO, with a 45-70 variation in, what will you buy? Marlin? Winchester? Henry? Chiappa?

Scrummy

 

[njc110381]

If I knew you for real, I think you're the type of person who would cause my wife to roll her eyes when I mentioned you!

That's a compliment!

So @SimpleSimon , you've been @Albertaboy 'd!

SO, with a 45-70 variation in, what will you buy? Marlin? Winchester? Henry? Chiappa?

Scrummy

When the phone rings and I say "It's *better edit that out!*", before standing up and walking off from whatever it is we're doing, my wife tends to have a look of minor concern on her face. She hates it when I get talking to like minded folk in other countries - last time I did that I grabbed a rifle and disappeared for a month just after we'd moved into our first house together!

 

[SimpleSimon]

So @SimpleSimon , you've been @Albertaboy 'd!

SO, with a 45-70 variation in, what will you buy? Marlin? Winchester? Henry? Chiappa?

Scrummy

Most likely I'll join the queue for a new Ruger-made Marlin 1895SBL.

 

[25 Sharps]

Ok so today I threw three rounds together.
34gn of n135 and a Speer 130gn bullet.
Didn't measure the length just seated so the crimping groove was just visible and crimped.
Put a crappy target up, took one hundred strides back and shot all three quickly off the tripod.
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About 1.25" group. That'll do nicely thank you .

That’ll work, good bullet that expands well too