@Conor O'Gorman one for you to take back and exactly what BASC should be into IMO
Miniature Rifle Ranges (MRR)
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Jefgingerbear
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So, I have had my FAC come back with the new condition on it. One thing to make perfectly clear BASC has been absolutely phenomenal in the entirety of this process. I’m not knocking my local Firearms department but BASC have just been simply superb.
Conor O'Gorman
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Thank you. That is good to hear.
I know that BASC is trying hard on my behalf
However it has been May since I asked for my MRR to be placed upon my renewed FAC
So far there has been no success
j
However it has been May since I asked for my MRR to be placed upon my renewed FAC
So far there has been no success
j
If this is your business how are you operating at the moment?
Are you able to keep trading?
I am reduced to just running the air rifle ranges
It’s costing me income and loss of trade
That's awful.
Can you get some compensation from the police as they're restricting your trade?
That could be the stick that beats them into pulling their finger out.
An update for my own business
I finally had a new FAC issued with my range acknowledged under section 11.4
A huge relief
It wouldn’t have happened without the significant and determined input by BASC
Regards
J
@Conor O'Gorman
I finally had a new FAC issued with my range acknowledged under section 11.4
A huge relief
It wouldn’t have happened without the significant and determined input by BASC
Regards
J
@Conor O'Gorman
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Conor O'Gorman
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That's good news and a huge relief indeed.
Jefgingerbear
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Congratulations!
Congratulations.
We're still waiting on paperwork, although we've been told it is all approved, just needs printing.
Congratulations.
We're still waiting on paperwork, although we've been told it is all approved, just needs printing.
At least, if you have been told it has been approved, you can start trading again whilst you await Mr postie
J
Indeed.
gonzo
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Been away from this forum for a while, so missed all this chatter....
I am also going through the sect 11(4) fun and games.
In my case this is a private range for friends and family, rather than a traditional club. Though I do run it as a club to get insurance and exemption cert.
I've been in contact with Dorset police about getting the rifles onto my FAC since October 2023, when the changes got Royal ascent. But they have been struggling to do this till recently. This is not the FLD's fault, they have been pushing the Home Office for the changes to the statutory guidance, and getting stone-walled.
They have decided that they will deal with these as if they were a club. Issuing a club licence to the operator, rather than using my own FAC. (At least in my case.) So whilst I don't run as a HO approved club, I still get a free licence for the range, issue and variations.
The only thing I needed to do was give a list of club members and a declaration of how we check that prohibited people (under sect 21) don't shoot. And info about other people managing on my behalf, storage plans etc.
It's been a long journey, but the Dorset solution is sensible.
(They must despair when they see my name on paperwork as I don't do anything normal/usual and cost them a lot of time.)
It will be interesting to see if the club FAC has the requirements for range insurance. As this was not needed for the exemption. I have it and plan to continue, so not a problem for me. But may be an added expense for others? And complication of having to get a range inspection done (depending on your insurer).
I am also going through the sect 11(4) fun and games.
In my case this is a private range for friends and family, rather than a traditional club. Though I do run it as a club to get insurance and exemption cert.
I've been in contact with Dorset police about getting the rifles onto my FAC since October 2023, when the changes got Royal ascent. But they have been struggling to do this till recently. This is not the FLD's fault, they have been pushing the Home Office for the changes to the statutory guidance, and getting stone-walled.
They have decided that they will deal with these as if they were a club. Issuing a club licence to the operator, rather than using my own FAC. (At least in my case.) So whilst I don't run as a HO approved club, I still get a free licence for the range, issue and variations.
The only thing I needed to do was give a list of club members and a declaration of how we check that prohibited people (under sect 21) don't shoot. And info about other people managing on my behalf, storage plans etc.
It's been a long journey, but the Dorset solution is sensible.
(They must despair when they see my name on paperwork as I don't do anything normal/usual and cost them a lot of time.)
It will be interesting to see if the club FAC has the requirements for range insurance. As this was not needed for the exemption. I have it and plan to continue, so not a problem for me. But may be an added expense for others? And complication of having to get a range inspection done (depending on your insurer).
gonzo
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22 rimfire was the wording, if I recall. So 22WMR should be fine too!
Having insurance should be front and centre in anyone's mind who operates a MRR.
I wouldn't even consider running the range without it.
Anyone who does is asking for trouble, and I for one, wouldn't shoot there.
If the operator scrimps on something like that, it makes you wonder what else they have decided wasn't necessary, like safety or maintenance.
We have two companies running MRRs, and they are separate. Both have insurance, both operate very differently, and so need to be kept separate, at least on paper.
My force have decided that as we also run a club (but these aren't club guns) that a club FAC is not the route to go. Both operators have private FACs, so they have decided to add them to our personal FACs.
My list of firearms reads like a wiki list of the 22LR variants.
It seems a complete farce the way it has been implemented, with little guidance from the top. Can't fault my FLD though, they were just as much at a loss as I was. At one point it was looking like I'd just get a condition that I could run a MRR but the firearms wouldn't be added as slots, just use the FAC to buy and sell. This would make sense and allow the operation to continue as before, but no, they have now added them all to the FAC. As we get through rifles regularly, I have more spare .22rf slots than most people have total firearms.
I wouldn't even consider running the range without it.
Anyone who does is asking for trouble, and I for one, wouldn't shoot there.
If the operator scrimps on something like that, it makes you wonder what else they have decided wasn't necessary, like safety or maintenance.
We have two companies running MRRs, and they are separate. Both have insurance, both operate very differently, and so need to be kept separate, at least on paper.
My force have decided that as we also run a club (but these aren't club guns) that a club FAC is not the route to go. Both operators have private FACs, so they have decided to add them to our personal FACs.
My list of firearms reads like a wiki list of the 22LR variants.
It seems a complete farce the way it has been implemented, with little guidance from the top. Can't fault my FLD though, they were just as much at a loss as I was. At one point it was looking like I'd just get a condition that I could run a MRR but the firearms wouldn't be added as slots, just use the FAC to buy and sell. This would make sense and allow the operation to continue as before, but no, they have now added them all to the FAC. As we get through rifles regularly, I have more spare .22rf slots than most people have total firearms.
looks like a mess again with different police forces doing MRR differently. I cannot see how they justify calling operating a MRR a club and issuing a free FAC given a Home Office approved club pays not an insignificant fee of £444 for first registration and must meet a certain criteria like a club constitution, club officers and minimum number of members.
one for @Conor O'Gorman to take up with both the police and HO.
one for @Conor O'Gorman to take up with both the police and HO.
HO Approved Clubs still benefit from a free FAC, do they not?
yes if you consider the HO fee is not subsidising the FAC fee.
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