Moderator choice?

[timbrayford]

has anyone tried the titanium Lawrence moderator not the cheapest seems to be one of the best

Yes, I am highly delighted with mine. atb Tim

 

[Sharpie]

check out the ASE SL5, the MAE T12, and the "one less Charlie" range of moderators

I examined some "one less charlie" recently. He had a cross-sectioned all-welded one to show the innards and TBH it looked remarkably similar to the Ase Utra baffle type.

FYI an Ase Utra S5l weighs 390-430g depending on calibre. OLC S series weighs 550g. The MAE T12 are heavy, 680g standard, 560g scout.

Unless something remarkable comes on the market soon, I'll be looking at the SL5. I need it to be durable (target use) and distrust anything strippable. I'd like titanium, happy with stainless steel, won't consider plain steel, aluminium alloy, carbon fibre etc.

I don't think reflex designs are particularly useful, the large reflex chamber is long and weighty, and I doubt it actually catches much of the muzzle blast, which momentum suggests is largely directed forwards. It also covers much of the barrel and prevents it from cooling, in fact even cooking it.

Talk of internal muzzle brakes is specious. For a muzzle brake to be effective it must have the bare minimum clearance with the bore, and I don't think a mass produced aftermarket mod. toleranced to be reasonably safe with an unknown muzzle thread, made in only a few calibres can possibly work.

I am familiar with the effectiveness of scientifically designed (rocket exhaust nozzle designer), calibre specific brakes and they are staggeringly good.

We have a number of target shooters in the club using moderators, and to my ears the AU is as good as any.

ISTM that there is a growing cottage industry of UK manufacturers who have access to a lathe, and some barstock, and some empirical ideas based on more or less knowledge and experience who are keen to put their (sometimes continuously evolving and untested) designs on the market.

I'm not sure this is a good thing, nor that it it producing much real innovation.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[Mr Lewis]

I use a ASE JetZ CQB on one of my 25-06's and a ASE JetZ compact on the other as well JetZ compacts as on the 243 & 300WSM the 270 has a NorthStar.

All three mods are great and I would recommend them to anyone.

 

[MONGOOSE]

Hmmm.... choices, choices. I do need to keep the mod light as the rifle weighs less than a sako Finnlite as it's a semi custom. I used a friends Tika lite with a T8 on it and although it does a great job of sound suppression, it is just too heavy and ruins the balance. Obviously some weight will be a factor and introduce a muzzle heavy rifle, that can't be helped but can be reduced.

I'll definately take my time and look at the top end mods for this rifle.... it's a special bit of kit and deserves a good setup.

Cheers all.

Paul.

the logical choice for me was the CMM4 moderator it's brilliant light best mod I've had and that's a few only 220g I don't think I've seen a lighter mod advertised
A-Tec CMM-4 Moderator | Tacfire Systems

A-TEC CMM-4 alu moderator review | Moderators and Suppressors Reviews | Gunmart

 

[Onelesscharlie]

Seething

Dear Sharpie

On reading you post I find myself a little lost for words..... everyone is entitled to an opinion however when quoting figures they should perhaps ensure they are correct before typing them.
I assume that by "examining" some of my moderators you actually mean that you picked up some of the selection of potential designs wired to the display board at the BSS, hardly an in depth examination.

The cross sectioned moderator was there simply to give people an insight into the type of internals that may be fitted and may have been a little below par (as it was a reject) however "very rough" is pushing the derogatory envelope a little to far and I find that insulting.

Now down to business.... the S Series, in the main for calibres up to .260" weighs nominally 420g, if required the larger calibres get the luxury of a thicker walled tube taking the weight up to around the 530g mark, however this depends on factors such as thicker rear end caps for spigotted barrels etc.

Finally I would hope that you may take the time at some point to come up to our 5000sq ft cottage industry complete with approx 25 grands worth of barstock, empirical ideas, prototypes, custom builds, innovation and see if it meets your obviously high standards.

Just my humble opinion

 

[MONGOOSE]

Dear Sharpie

On reading you post I find myself a little lost for words..... everyone is entitled to an opinion however when quoting figures they should perhaps ensure they are correct before typing them.
I assume that by "examining" some of my moderators you actually mean that you picked up some of the selection of potential designs wired to the display board at the BSS, hardly an in depth examination.

The cross sectioned moderator was there simply to give people an insight into the type of internals that may be fitted and may have been a little below par (as it was a reject) however "very rough" is pushing the derogatory envelope a little to far and I find that insulting.

Now down to business.... the S Series, in the main for calibres up to .260" weighs nominally 420g, if required the larger calibres get the luxury of a thicker walled tube taking the weight up to around the 530g mark, however this depends on factors such as thicker rear end caps for spigotted barrels etc.

Finally I would hope that you may take the time at some point to come up to our 5000sq ft cottage industry complete with approx 25 grands worth of barstock, empirical ideas, prototypes, custom builds, innovation and see if it meets your obviously high standards.

Just my humble opinion

I've said in the past on here that your mods look very well made and had great sound reduction, I only didn't recommend yours because the op was looking for a very light weight mod hence my recommendation of the CMM4

 

[jungle_re]

I have a custom 7-08 coming this summer and have from personal experience and too much time trawling internet steam narrowed down the selection to the following as giving the best compromise with weight and sound suppression:

Maxim Titan 6
SL5
Hardy IV
jet z compact

in order of current preference

 

[Onelesscharlie]

Hi Mongoose
I dont have any issues with you at all simply with the other individual who has managed to get under my skin.
You are correct the Atec is an excellent moderator, as are many others. Apologies if you thought my post was directed at you in any way.


best regards



Colin

 

[MONGOOSE]

Hi Mongoose
I dont have any issues with you at all simply with the other individual who has managed to get under my skin.
You are correct the Atec is an excellent moderator, as are many others. Apologies if you thought my post was directed at you in any way.


best regards



Colin

No I certainly didn't think that at all buddy no worries at all.......

 

[Sharpie]

Dear Sharpie

On reading you post I find myself a little lost for words..... everyone is entitled to an opinion however when quoting figures they should perhaps ensure they are correct before typing them.

I quoted the figure that you state on your website. I.E.

"General specifications:
Weight 550 grammes
Length 140mm
Diameter 51mm or 38mm
Mounting threads as above
Standard calibres as above"
Standard colours - stainless or black

If this is incorrect, perhaps you should update this information as your lighter weight variants are more interesting.

When I visited you at the show I questioned you closely about the weight, but TBH I couldn't get a clear answer, I left with the impression that each moderator was more or less a one-off, the design of which would be adjusted to suit the individual customer.

The cross sectioned moderator was there simply to give people an insight into the type of internals that may be fitted and may have been a little below par (as it was a reject).

Understood. I have edited my post and removed my observation.

I would hope that you may take the time at some point to come up to our 5000sq ft cottage industry complete with approx 25 grands worth of barstock, empirical ideas, prototypes, custom builds, innovation and see if it meets your obviously high standards.

I'd be delighted to look round one day. I was a student apprentice at NEI, and as a graduate engineer in their professional development programme was sent by British Aerospace to De Havilland college for six months full time for my EP1. Later they sent me to Middlesex Poly for my MSc. I work as a technical consultant in the aerospace and motorsport industries. Perhaps we could learn a few things from each other.

Regards,

Sharpie.

 

[Onelesscharlie]

Dear Sharpie

Many thanks for your response, we can indeed learn from each other, in the first instance I will amend the website to the new general weight for the S Series, however it is a general weight as we manufacture custom, bespoke moderators.
As you mention you probably didnt get a definitive weight from me at the BSS because it is entirely dependant on what you order.
We have a similar grounding I completed my apprenticeship with Vickers Shipbuilding and Engineering, then moved on to Dowty and Westland... I have had been a director in an engineering company since 1989 and while we may not be BAE we do punch our weight.

The invitation to visit is a sincere one.

regards


Colin aka onelesscharlie
sales and marketing director
SP Filling Systems Ltd