Moderators off ticket tomorrow then ..

[Liveonce]

Yes, but the renewal application system doesn’t let you draw a line through it!

but you are listing an item that is no longer a firearm, would you list the gun cabinet?

 

[8x57]

Yes, but the renewal application system doesn’t let you draw a line through it!

There's simply absolutely no need to mention moderators any more, so just leave them off. When they see the notes on your old certificate if or when it crosses their desk all will be apparent to even the least knowledgeable amongst them.

 

[3595wilk]

It’s not that the law has changed, it’s that I am not unilaterally permitted to not disclose to the police that items previously listed on my license are still in my possession but I have chosen to not include them in my renewal.

Given the police are looking for every reason to delay, query or disqualify applicants over the slightest thing, anyone who chooses to not disclose their mods, unless they have been explicitly told by their FEO that they don’t have to, is a fool!

Don't think you are a fool...the FEO maybe....... but still boils down to the fact the FEO has given you totally wrong guidance.

The fact they have asked you to do so shows their lack of understanding and probably trying to make a system still playing catch up (online renewal/application) work, because the technology is archaic and out of date........which is a metaphor for the whole licensing system really.

The new report into police leadership published today - on how crap it is - highlights an adoption across policing of a risk averse attitude hindering progress.

Your situation is exactly that.

 

[12gsnapcaps]

Posting this for the third time.

Everything you need to know.

Sound moderators: what you need to know

Following the government announcement in June on sound moderators being removed from firearms licensing, we answer some of your questions.

basc.org.uk

 

[hendrix's rifle]

You are very naive if you think that a firearms department might not look favourably at a licensee actively removing restricted items from their license but still keeping them.

If THEY tell me that the mods are off ticket then I’m fine, but until that happens, they remain on!

Can I suggest you don’t go for the bar exam just yet!!

You're wrong
Policy isn't law. Law is clearly in place. If anyone is to say otherwise, they're wrong. The fact is, they are no longer on ticket, regardless what your FEO/FLD say.

I'm sure it will filter through over the next week or so.

 

[slider]

You are very naive if you think that a firearms department might not look favourably at a licensee actively removing restricted items from their license but still keeping them.

If THEY tell me that the mods are off ticket then I’m fine, but until that happens, they remain on!

Can I suggest you don’t go for the bar exam just yet!!

Just do it. If some FEO that doesn't know the law tries to prosecute you then they will soon be corrected!

 

[TringSaint]

You're wrong
Policy isn't law. Law is clearly in place. If anyone is to say otherwise, they're wrong. The fact is, they are no longer on ticket, regardless what your FEO/FLD say.

I'm sure it will filter through over the next week or so.

Well, thanks Rumpole, but if it’s all the same I will kindly ignore your suggestion and do what it says on the form.

 

[TringSaint]

Posting this for the third time.

Everything you need to know.

Sound moderators: what you need to know

Following the government announcement in June on sound moderators being removed from firearms licensing, we answer some of your questions.

basc.org.uk

Interesting that this wonderful guidance doesn’t say what to do when renewing your license.

And that is my point. My license has 5 rifles and 5 mods on it. In ink.

If it wasn’t coming up for renewal I wouldn’t give a sh!t, but as it is, I had to make a call.
Do I just enter my rifles which are listed or my rifles and mods.

Given none of the articles state what to do when renewing, it’s not inconceivable that a FLD could take umbrage at me deciding unilaterally to take the reporting of licences components into my own hands and not notifying them of what is in my possession.

I know what the bill states, but it also isn’t clear when renewing, only buying or transferring.

So, not wanting to pi$$ off said FLD by being a cocky ****, I felt it best to list them as they are currently listed on my license and be done with it.

The fact that the form and the police guidelines are not up to date also raises questions about how each FLD may handle it (after all, mentoring isn’t in firearms licensing law but many forces insisted on it?

But, by all means, if you want to simply ignore them from your renewal then be my guest - just don’t whinge if it bites you on the ar$e!

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Well, thanks Rumpole, but if it’s all the same I will kindly ignore your suggestion and do what it says on the form.

A simple comment in the note section would suffice im certain. I'm presuming given the response below you haven't actually spoken with the FEO to clarify what they want entering?

 

[Liveonce]

any help that it will not bite you on the bum, they are no longer regarded as firearms, simple as that

 

[Rake Aboot]

Interesting that this wonderful guidance doesn’t say what to do when renewing your license.

And that is my point. My license has 5 rifles and 5 mods on it. In ink.

If it wasn’t coming up for renewal I wouldn’t give a sh!t, but as it is, I had to make a call.
Do I just enter my rifles which are listed or my rifles and mods.

Given none of the articles state what to do when renewing, it’s not inconceivable that a FLD could take umbrage at me deciding unilaterally to take the reporting of licences components into my own hands and not notifying them of what is in my possession.

I know what the bill states, but it also isn’t clear when renewing, only buying or transferring.

So, not wanting to pi$$ off said FLD by being a cocky ****, I felt it best to list them as they are currently listed on my license and be done with it.

The fact that the form and the police guidelines are not up to date also raises questions about how each FLD may handle it (after all, mentoring isn’t in firearms licensing law but many forces insisted on it?

But, by all means, if you want to simply ignore them from your renewal then be my guest - just don’t whinge if it bites you on the ar$e!

You’re wrong I’m afraid .

You can continue to do what was required in the past if you so wish, but the others giving you advice here are correct .

As I’ve said , your feo should be telling you this

 

[TringSaint]

You’re wrong I’m afraid .

You can continue to do what was required in the past if you so wish, but the others giving you advice here are correct .

As I’ve said , your feo should be telling you this

Can you please point me to the section which says ‘when you are renewing your license and you have moderators listed on it …..’?
I couldn’t find it.
Ta

 

[TringSaint]

A simple comment in the note section would suffice im certain. I'm presuming given the response below you haven't actually spoken with the FEO to clarify what they want entering?

I’m in Herts, beds and Cambs and I can tell you that they are in disarray at the moment.
My last FEO quit earlier this year and I have no idea who my new FEO will be.

If it was Chris then I could have given him a call and validated it, but in the absence of any new individual who will be assigned to me and any clear guidance on the form, I chose to list them.

That the FLD does from that point is their choice, but I don’t want them to have any reason not to renew my license on time (esp given that their current adherence to the 4 month expected timeline for a renewal is about 26%!!)

If I wasn’t renewing right at the time this was changing then I wouldn’t give a damn, but I am so i do.

 

[Liveonce]

if your renewing after the 29th June it’s not changing it’s changed !

The FLD will now look at your renewal application and the risk assessment matrix and get to the question IQ level does the applicant have the intellect to own firearms? no failed

 

[3595wilk]

it’s not inconceivable that a FLD could take umbrage at me deciding unilaterally to take the reporting of licences components into my own hands and not notifying them of what is in my possession.

I know what the bill states, but it also isn’t clear when renewing, only buying or transferring

I honestly can't get my head around what you are saying here.

You seem to be suggesting that on the off chance your FLD decides to unilaterally ignore the legislation - it isn't a Bill, it is Law via a SI and is now incorporated into s.44 - and penalise you, and also decide to punish you for it by not processing your renewal?

For what? Complying with the law? The FLD want to know what FIREARMS you possess as part of your renewal. Not what hollow steel/aluminium/titanium tubes you possess.....

It is also clear in the guidance provided by BASC. Whatever you think of the organisation they are correct when they say it will be removed automatically on RENEWAL, variation, change of address or similar transaction.

Whatever fear you have of a civilian employee of HertsPol potentially refusing your renewal because you have failed to tell them you possess items they don't need to know anything about legally anymore, I suspect it is probably misplaced......

When is your renewal due? Why don't you just email them and ask?

Or even better call them.

From the relevant Firearms IAG last meeting....it tells you what you can do in these circumstances ...

Communication improvements
The group was informed of recent improvements to public communication:

A dedicated firearms licensing phone line has been reintroduced on a limited basis (10:00–12:00, weekdays).
The phone line is intended for advice and not enquiries regarding timeliness of application.
Members were encouraged to continue promoting use of Single Online Home and email for routine updates and notifications.
It was confirmed that:

All correspondence is read and triaged.
Resources must be balanced between responding to enquiries and processing applications.

Telephone is 01480 422619

 

[Rake Aboot]

Can you please point me to the section which says ‘when you are renewing your license and you have moderators listed on it …..’?
I couldn’t find it.
Ta

That’s because there is no such section.
You’re moderators listed on your FAC will no longer be listed on your FAC as it’s renewed

No idea why you keep this up, just phone your local licensing office who will tell you the same as everyone here .

 

[me_here]

If it was Chris then I could have given him a call and validated it

As of a couple of months ago, BCH have a phone number hidden away on their website in case you do want to ask some to clear this up (bottom of this page); https://www.herts.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/fi/bch/firearms-licensing-service-update/

For what it's worth, add me to the list of people telling you that if anything you're just going to **** them off by adding unnecessary info to the form, and demonstrating your lack of familiarity with law. Of course the renewal form hasn't been updated, god knows how long that will take.

 

[TringSaint]

I honestly can't get my head around what you are saying here.

You seem to be suggesting that on the off chance your FLD decides to unilaterally ignore the legislation - it isn't a Bill, it is Law via a SI and is now incorporated into s.44 - and penalise you, and also decide to punish you for it by not processing your renewal?

For what? Complying with the law? The FLD want to know what FIREARMS you possess as part of your renewal. Not what hollow steel/aluminium/titanium tubes you possess.....

It is also clear in the guidance provided by BASC. Whatever you think of the organisation they are correct when they say it will be removed automatically on RENEWAL, variation, change of address or similar transaction.

Whatever fear you have of a civilian employee of HertsPol potentially refusing your renewal because you have failed to tell them you possess items they don't need to know anything about legally anymore, I suspect it is probably misplaced......

When is your renewal due? Why don't you just email them and ask?

Or even better call them.

From the relevant Firearms IAG last meeting....it tells you what you can do in these circumstances ...

Communication improvements
The group was informed of recent improvements to public communication:

A dedicated firearms licensing phone line has been reintroduced on a limited basis (10:00–12:00, weekdays).
The phone line is intended for advice and not enquiries regarding timeliness of application.
Members were encouraged to continue promoting use of Single Online Home and email for routine updates and notifications.
It was confirmed that:

All correspondence is read and triaged.
Resources must be balanced between responding to enquiries and processing applications.

Telephone is 01480 422619

My renewal went in last week right as all of this was unfolding.
Would you take the risk on the basis of a bunch of unqualified people on a social media forum telling you what the law is?? If you are then you are braver than i am, as I have read so much BS form people on here making out that they are the authority on such matters only to be proven wrong.

Hell, most of the site readership doesn’t understand open tickets or the laws around discharging a firearm near a road.

So, apologies for not trusting everything written in here!!

 

[TringSaint]

if your renewing after the 29th June it’s not changing it’s changed !

The FLD will now look at your renewal application and the risk assessment matrix and get to the question IQ level does the applicant have the intellect to own firearms? no failed

It was sent in last week.
See my issue???

IQ thoroughly intact I think you will find!

 

[3595wilk]

My renewal went in last week right as all of this was unfolding.
Would you take the risk on the basis of a bunch of unqualified people on a social media forum telling you what the law is?? If you are then you are braver than i am, as I have read so much BS form people on here making out that they are the authority on such matters only to be proven wrong.

Hell, most of the site readership doesn’t understand open tickets or the laws around discharging a firearm near a road.

So, apologies for not trusting everything written in here!!

Ah ok - bit of a moot point then and lots of time wasted arguing/discussing something none of us can impact...

But too be clear - it is not social media here it is the HO circular, the Act and an organsiation representing the shooting community saying these things......not some bloke on faceache.....