Multiple rifles for deer, good reasoning ?

[25 Sharps]

The introduction of new legislation and process will naturally reduce the amount of variations authorised. Retraining of feo will also influence the process. Too much disparity between forces is an issue. Basc have called for a central licensing agency this would be more cohesive but in practical terms it will not work. This is not my personal opinion and I don't need a source.

I think most people are interested as you are posting as if you have some inside information, people probably want to know where it is coming from to know whether to trust it.

So what you are saying is the new legislation is going to change the underpinning principles of good reason and using a gun 3 times a year will no longer constitute good reason for target?

You keep just skirting the question asked directly related to target rifles.

 

[palmer_mike]

This is not my personal opinion and I don't need a source.

that statement makes no sense at all unless you personally are the origin of the changes to the legislation. I’m assuming you are not, therefore you must have a source for your information or alternatively you have made it up

 

[Jeff8861]

I think most people are interested as you are posting as if you have some inside information, people probably want to know where it is coming from to know whether to trust it.

So what you are saying is the new legislation is going to change the underpinning principles of good reason and using a gun 3 times a year will no longer constitute good reason for target?

You keep just skirting the question asked directly related to target rifles.

I've not mentioned anything in relation to using your rifles 3 times as year and the main reasons for the post is in regards to multiple deer calibres. It will be harder to justify having numerous calibres which are suited for deer control. The whole licensing system will go through a number of changes in the next couple of years. That is clear and obvious which was set out in the recommendations to the Home Office.

 

[Jeff8861]

that statement makes no sense at all unless you personally are the origin of the changes to the legislation. I’m assuming you are not, therefore you must have a source for your information or alternatively you have made it up

Really I've got better things to do than make stuff up.

 

[palmer_mike]

Really I've got better things to do than make stuff up.

That’s good. Then where did you obtain the information?

 

[Morkai]

This all seems pretty strange.

All I've seen is reports of police failings, nothing to do with people having multiple deer rifles or good reason...

I dont see how anyone can jump to the conclusion that it will be more difficult to have multiple calibres for deer.

 

[Ruby Tuesday 2]

Well thats run six pages... someone please ring his feo so we can all find the answer.

 

[25 Sharps]

I've not mentioned anything in relation to using your rifles 3 times as year and the main reasons for the post is in regards to multiple deer calibres. It will be harder to justify having numerous calibres which are suited for deer control. The whole licensing system will go through a number of changes in the next couple of years. That is clear and obvious which was set out in the recommendations to the Home Office.

I’m sorry, but you responded quoting my post about having multiple rifles for target as primary good reason with a deer condition as a secondary condition.

You specifically said

“I know target shooters who have even more but this will become a thing of the past.”

I brought up the 3 times a year, as a target shooter provided you are a member of a club that has access to a a range suitable for the use of firearm you have good reason to possess, in terms of use the guidance suggests using the firearm 3 times a year would reasonably satisfy this.

So as you have specifically mentioned target shooters having more rifles becoming a thing of the past, how will this change?

you keep skirting the question which makes it look like you don't actually know what you are talking about or have the depth of understanding of the upcoming changes you keep eluding to. I don't actually think that is the case but don't understand why you can't give a straight answer and explain the justification for your statement above.

 

[Buchan]

Apologies if it has been said before in this thread, but if you have several rifles, make sure you use them between renewals. I've had to surrender a .243 as I hadn't used it much in the intervening time. This is worth a read: https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/1116230/Firearms_guide_November_2022.pdf

From it:
In general, applicants should be able to demonstrate that they ‘use’ their firearm on a regular, legitimate basis for work, sport or leisure (including collections or research).
Failure to use a firearm or failure to acquire one by the end of the certificate’s life may be cause for further inquiry as to the applicant’s intentions

 

[25 Sharps]

Apologies if it has been said before in this thread, but if you have several rifles, make sure you use them between renewals. I've had to surrender a .243 as I hadn't used it much in the intervening time. This is worth a read: https://assets.publishing.service.g...file/1116230/Firearms_guide_November_2022.pdf


From it:
In general, applicants should be able to demonstrate that they ‘use’ their firearm on a regular, legitimate basis for work, sport or leisure (including collections or research).
Failure to use a firearm or failure to acquire one by the end of the certificate’s life may be cause for further inquiry as to the applicant’s intentions

Yep, if you are not using a firearm then, unless a collector with a collector’s certificate, you have no good reason to possess it.

Strangely though the guidance suggest 3 time a year should be seen as regular use for a target shooter no suggestion is made for a suitable frequency of use of a rifle for quarry.

But showing use is a must, this can be difficult for the home loader!

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

Well thats run six pages... someone please ring his feo so we can all find the answer.

She said “Yes.”
Submitted on a Friday. Had a call on the Monday asking why I had not returned my certificate.
Explained my reasoning.
Was told. ‘How about if we issue a new one which you can collect from the reception but please return your old one when you do.’
Excellent I said.
Friday afternoon have a call. ‘It’s all sorted but can you come early next week to collect now. Please check for any issues and if so we can sort it and reprint another why you wait.’
So a week to add. As stated above. The only query was why have you not returned your certificate ?
The only thing I added to the variation on the purpose was ‘ deer -Open farm land’

 

[macfarlane]

I remember years ago an feo asking me why I wanted another rifle,Now I knew from a mate the feo played golf so I asked him if he just used the one club whilst going round the golf course. Got my variation the following week.

 

[Bowland blades]

The thing many forget is not just the grant of another , there are guidelines for the keeper to upgrade security of larger collections . Been there done that myself , i now look for clear stand alone reason i need something

 

[MAH]

But showing use is a must, this can be difficult for the home loader!

Not really. I reload.

I keep a log of my reloading.
It is quick and easy for me to record a entry and the record is accepted by the FLO for my none target rifles.

Use of target rifles is recorded in the range log.

M.

 

[25 Sharps]

Not really. I reload.

I keep a log of my reloading.
It is quick and easy for me to record a entry and the record is accepted by the FLO for my none target rifles.

Use of target rifles is recorded in the range log.

M.

I do exactly the same as you.

But other than the range log, which a stalker would not have, a reloading log could easily be made up!

 

[MAH]

reloading log could easily be made up

True.
You could, if you felt the need, keep the receipts for your reloading components.
My FLO is happy with the log.

M

 

[25 Sharps]

True.
You could, if you felt the need, keep the receipts for your reloading components.
My FLO is happy with the log.

M

You could but it still doesn’t prove you’ve used them, you could just give them away or sell on again.

I used to get all bullets written on my FAC at the start but haven’t done that for long time.

It’s never been an issue for me, I’ve never been asked to prove use but, more people in my club are getting asked to prove their use as they renew.

 

[MAH]

getting asked to prove their use

Just to clarify..
I have not been asked to "prove" use.

However, I have been asked, when did I last use xxxxx? and Ive shared my log.

It's a subtle but important distinction.

Hope that helps.

M

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

I keep a log of my reloading.

I do it, I guess, you could say back to front.
I note my shot count with approximate dates . i.e. 5 cases up until -- date. listing quarry shot. Into the correct batch and fire number. The previous entry would have a similar entry giving a time frame, number of shot/s etc.
This serves multiple purposes. Gives me a total rifle shot count. Case firings, quarry and if asked shows use.