New Forest Negligent Discharge

[big ears]

There's no mention of the OP new forest incident being a blaser ?

No don't think so. I did not notice any mention of rifle brand in the bits I read in the OP or subsequent links I followed.

As I said above, the Blaser discussion was introduced to the thread by @sikamalc referring to the ND he witnessed.

Alan

Yes sorry meant the @sikamalc comment not the OP.

 

[timbrayford]

Doubt Blaser will find a fault as clearly the fault lies with the operator. The gun was loaded with the safety off I bet. Rest is history.
However some do like to slag off blasers

Apparently there was an issue with a minority of R93 resulting in a product recall Blaser Jagdwaffen

 

[timbrayford]

Apparently there was an issue with a minority of R93 resulting in a product recall Blaser Jagdwaffen

More specifically:
Questions about the problem itself

Question:

What exactly is the problem?

Answer:

Blaser cannot be sure that in some cases in the past, suppliers have delivered pins made of regular steel instead of the ordered rust and acid-resistant steel pins for the trigger units. If these pins corrode, the correct function of the trigger is no longer guaranteed. It may happen that the trigger, having been pulled, does not return to its starting position. When the rifle is cocked and insofar ready to fire, an involuntary discharge of the rifle may occur. To avoid this risk, every R93 trigger unit has to be checked.

 

[sikamalc]

Doubt Blaser will find a fault as clearly the fault lies with the operator. The gun was loaded with the safety off I bet. Rest is history.
However some do like to slag off blasers

Not slagging off. The truth and the plain facts are what i have told. My personal opinion and choice is i don't personally like Blasers. I have nothing against those that use them. I have one or two friends who have them.

 

[Scandially]

I can't believe some folk blame the rifle no matter what the make or history. The muppet that chambered a round and also had no muzzle awareness is 100% to blame, nothing or no one else.

 

[Alantoo]

Not slagging off. The truth and the plsin facts ars what i have told. My personal opinion and choice is i don't personally like Blasers. I have nothing against those that use them. I have one or two friends who have them.

I certainly do not consider your reportage of the touched R8 stock discharge incident as slagging off in any way...bloody scary and well worth reporting...but I would like to know what caused the malfunction with that rifle so I can check and avoid it with mine.

What brand rifle was the second ND you referred to, out of interest? The one that went into the ground by your foot after climbing over the fence? You said it had a floor plate and it went off after the guy reinserted the magazine and pulled the trigger.

One of the features of the Blaser R8 could have prevented that instance. With a Blaser R8, unless you either close the bolt after inserting the magazine or re-cock it, the automatic safety cocking release system would mean you were just pulling the trigger on a non-compressed firing pin spring.

The only way it could happen with a healthy R8 is if a cocked bolt was closed after reinserting the magazine.

If the R8 automatic safety release of the cocking slide failed and did not work on either removal or refitting of the magazine, and if the bolt was not cycled, then the rifle would have to be cocked with a round chambered all the time prior to and during the magazine removal and refitting...just like most other rifles with their safety off in ready to fire mode.

Alan

 

[ackley243]

Has anyone else heard rumours about this recent incident on a New Forest estate?

Allegedly a .308 was negligently discharged through the door of a vehicle and then the leg of a stalker (who survived). The rifle was being removed from the vehicle by a paying client at the time.

why would anyone want to publish there mistakes theres enough bad publicity without people trying to stir things up they will feel bad enough

 

[bfltd0]

why would anyone want to publish there mistakes theres enough bad publicity without people trying to stir things up they will feel bad enough

Because if everyone kept their mistakes secret - especially those involving firearms and negligent/accidental discharges - no-one would ever learn anything.

The Army periodically publish reports of similar firearms incidents and it is very instructive to read of what went wrong (usually leading to someone being shot by mistake).

 

[Scandially]

Never point a gun at anyone. Simple?

 

[Foxyboy43]

More specifically:
Questions about the problem itself

Question:

What exactly is the problem?

Answer:

Blaser cannot be sure that in some cases in the past, suppliers have delivered pins made of regular steel instead of the ordered rust and acid-resistant steel pins for the trigger units. If these pins corrode, the correct function of the trigger is no longer guaranteed. It may happen that the trigger, having been pulled, does not return to its starting position. When the rifle is cocked and insofar ready to fire, an involuntary discharge of the rifle may occur. To avoid this risk, every R93 trigger unit has to be checked.

Well that’s ok then!!!

 

[Scandially]

I was at Cluny with a new shooter and he blew a hole in the ground where ones feet would be. I split his new B725 in three and threw them in three different directions.... he apologised.

 

[big ears]

Apparently there was an issue with a minority of R93 resulting in a product recall Blaser Jagdwaffen

Not R8 s as quoted then

 

[timbrayford]

Not slagging off. The truth and the plsin facts ars what i have told. My personal opinion and choice is i don't personally like Blasers. I have nothing against those that use them. I have one or two friends who have them

Not R8 s as quoted then

Not aware of any product recall on the r8 apart from the silence model https://www.recalls.govt.nz/recalls/blaser-isd-silencer/

 

[big ears]

Not aware of any product recall on the r8 apart from the silence model https://www.recalls.govt.nz/recalls/blaser-isd-silencer/

Still think he had his finger near the trigger when it went off but blamed the hitting the stock.

 

[Sharpie]

why would anyone want to publish there mistakes theres enough bad publicity without people trying to stir things up they will feel bad enough

He didn't publish his mistake. Nor did the victim. Another person who knows what happened, did, as a heads-up, and I am grateful, it has sparked a (generally) productive discussion here.

 

[ndt man]

Presumably traditional for a quick follow up shot or may be something to do with the military? There doesn't seem to be a problem with automatic safety on shotguns

Really.!!! Feller showed me his ou that when you hit the stock it fired the second barrel .

 

[timbrayford]

Really.!!! Feller showed me his ou that when you hit the stock it fired the second barrel .

I'm afraid that you've taken my remark well out of context. What I was referring to was that shotguns are manufactured with automatic safeties, not the reliability of them. Are some O/U clay shooting guns manufactured with non-auto safeties?

 

[sikamalc]

Still think he had his finger near the trigger when it went off but blamed the hitting the stock.

Well he didn't so think what you like. You were not there.

 

[Roestalker39]

Why the hell hadn't he taken it to a gunsmith the first time it happened. Does he like playing Russian roulette or something? The guy clearly can't be trusted with firearms if he needs to be told to get his gun fixed when he already knows that it has an issue.

Sadly not everyone has your “ common sense “ and knowledge
Why don’t you nip down and have a word wise one ?

 

[StephenToast]

I can't believe some folk blame the rifle no matter what the make or history. The muppet that chambered a round and also had no muzzle awareness is 100% to blame, nothing or no one else.

I agree.