New Knife and Firearms law

[Scapegoat]

So I take it open assist knives with the spring removed are still legal.

Assisted opening knives were a bit of loophole anomaly. Because they operated on the cam action of the main spine spring rather than a separate button operated spring they fell outside the definition of a switchblade, which was already covered by the Offensive Weapons legislation ( inasmuch as a switchblade is an offensive weapon per se). So an assisted opener is just as "dangerous" as a switchblade or flick-knife. You previously needed to have a good reason to have one with you in a public place (because it wasn't a simple folding pocket knife) , but now they are banned from sale or carry under most normal circumstances.

I can't imagine how an assisted opener could be modified to stop it springing open without rendering it completely useless as the spine spring would have to be filed or cut, so it wouldn't stay open, let alone lock. Having said that, if you could modify it so that the blade could be thumbed open but didn't open of it's own accord, then if it locks we're back to "good reason to have it with you" . If it simply folds closed and doesn't need a separate action to close it, then as long as the cutting edge doesn't exceed 7.62cm it can be classed as a folding pocket knife.

 

[Morkai]

Assisted opening knives were a bit of loophole anomaly. Because they operated on the cam action of the main spine spring rather than a separate button operated spring they fell outside the definition of a switchblade, which was already covered by the Offensive Weapons legislation ( inasmuch as a switchblade is an offensive weapon per se). So an assisted opener is just as "dangerous" as a switchblade or flick-knife. You previously needed to have a good reason to have one with you in a public place (because it wasn't a simple folding pocket knife) , but now they are banned from sale or carry under most normal circumstances.

I can't imagine how an assisted opener could be modified to stop it springing open without rendering it completely useless as the spine spring would have to be filed or cut, so it wouldn't stay open, let alone lock. Having said that, if you could modify it so that the blade could be thumbed open but didn't open of it's own accord, then if it locks we're back to "good reason to have it with you" . If it simply folds closed and doesn't need a separate action to close it, then as long as the cutting edge doesn't exceed 7.62cm it can be classed as a folding pocket knife.

You can remove the opening spring and then it becomes a manually opening knife that locks like all the other folding lock knives. The lock and opening spring are separate.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Sheer politicing for the ears of the electorate. Now let me see, a skinning knife is for skinning, a filleting knife is for filleting, a gralloching knife is for gralloching all of which are real but a ”zombie knife”? Sooo is there something I do not know??

 

[Liveonce]

Sheer politicing for the ears of the electorate. Now let me see, a skinning knife is for skinning, a filleting knife is for filleting, a gralloching knife is for gralloching all of which are real but a ”zombie knife”? Sooo is there something I do not know??

Not allowed to say.


Special Agent Mulder.

 

[Noeyedear]

It’s gesture politics at its worse. And we have to suffer

 

[Stalker62]

It’s gesture politics at its worse. And we have to suffer

How exactly are you, "suffering"?

 

[paul o']

So is there going to be a cash back like the pistol hand in ??

 

[Pedro]

Knife crime is still an ongoing problem and it's hard to see this legislation changing that. I think I'm starting to sound a bit like a broken record about this, but the way forward isn't to make more laws against people who have knives. Carry a knife in public these days (with exceptions for genuine uses) and you commit so many offences it beggars belief.

Enforcement is the issue. And I don't necessarily think bigger sentences are the answer either, the powers to impose those exist. We simply need people who carry knives to be caught. Be a gang member in Manchester or London or wherever and expect to be searched again and again. Complain of harassment or bias if you will. But get searched again the next time you are on a street corner. Until it becomes simply unviable to carry a weapon. Maybe then...

 

[fallow me]

Whats next, Crossbows, Compound Bows, Collectable spears, could be the next big investment, buy them cheap and wait for the compo

 

[A Guy Out West]

I’m
Sure that all the violent people that would use one of those things to hurt someone will take heed. Just some more feel good legislation that will do nothing to solve the problem. Cutting or sticking someone is really a very violent thing. Even in war, soldiers are many times reluctant to bayonet an enemy soldier. I think the better focus is why or how someone could do something like that.

 

[Happy stalker]

Politicians and the law makers have to get real, increase the sentences and make law breakers suffer at the moment the criminal justice system is a joke, what about protecting the law abiding citizens for a change! And let us enjoy being law abiding by rewarding us the freedom to enjoy our sport.

 

[Webley]

Manually activated release system (lever release)

Lever and MARS are interrupted semi autos basically. Insert mag, pull cocking lever back and release, it loads a round from the mag. Pull the trigger to fire the loaded round. The rifle ejects the spent case using gas from a port in the barrel and locks open. The same as last round bolt hold open in a semi auto sort of. With Lever release you press a lever and the action closes loading another round. With MARS you pull the trigger a second time and it closes the action loading another round. Then you can fire again and it locks open again.
Matt

 

[sunndog]

How exactly are you, "suffering"?

Its liberty infringment....how is that not suffering?

Want to be a Balisong collector? Nope cant
Want to shoot semi auto CF? Nope cant
Want to shoot pistols? Nope cant
Want to indulge a fetish for dayglo green? Nope cant

And so on.....

"First they came for the...." I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before

 

[Liveonce]

Politicians and the law makers have to get real, increase the sentences and make law breakers suffer at the moment the criminal justice system is a joke, what about protecting the law abiding citizens for a change! And let us enjoy being law abiding by rewarding us the freedom to enjoy our sport.

As has been said first you have to catch them by enforcing the current law not keep making new ones and then build more prisons. All of which takes resources and lots of money, so much easier and cheaper to create another law and false illusion to society that they are better protected and can sleep soundly.

 

[NullMac]

I agree with this - if a particular category of stolen legal firearms are preponderant in crime statistics that indicates they're particularly attractive to steal and it's therefore arguable they should be viewed differently by the law - but your other post seems to indicate that pretty much all gun crime is (in descending order of prevalence)

• air/spring weapons
• handguns
• shotguns (esp. sawn-off)
• machine pistols

If that's the case there doesn't seem to be any harm from rifles, inc MARS etc., so why ban them?

NB this is a genuine question not picking a fight.

I think it is seen as trying to dodge the semi auto ban, so it is being specifically identified and banned

 

[nun_hunter]

At the end of the day Zombie knives and lawfully held firearms are used in crime by people suffering mental health issues which is really difficult to legislate against without dealing with the causes of the mental health issues in the first place.

No self respecting thug is using a zombie knife, they have a little cheap paring knife that's easy to hide and disposable. Likewise gangs aren't running around with lawfully held firearms, a Sako 75 or Beretta Silver pigeon but some dodgy import that was never legal anyway.

 

[User00026]

Let’s be honest here,..violent gangs and criminals will read this piece of legislation and decide to become good honest citizens as they have now realised they error of their ways..what they were doing wasn’t nice, and that if you want to conduct violent crime with a knife, at least have the decency to make it one of legal stature

 

[Scapegoat]

You can remove the opening spring and then it becomes a manually opening knife that locks like all the other folding lock knives. The lock and opening spring are separate.

In which case, once deactivated it’ll be a lock knife I’d have thought.

 

[sunndog]

Let’s be honest here,..violent gangs and criminals will read this piece of legislation and decide to become good honest citizens as they have now realised they error of their ways..what they were doing wasn’t nice, and that if you want to conduct violent crime with a knife, at least have the decency to make it one of legal stature

Completely agree mate, I mean as soon as people find out murder is illegal they cut that right out!

 

[TomDeer]

Want to indulge a fetish for dayglo green? Nope cant

Yikes! When did they pass that law? That's my new lycra cycling kit stuffed then. Looks like I'll have to stick with the old Day-Glo pink and yellow one instead...