New NE Deer Night Shooting Licence England/Wales (CL55)

[Mike1979]

Point 2- please assure that your rock contains depleted uranium when engaging in throwing so you can see intended trajectory whilst night shooting in conjunction with best practice

Please amend to " only suitable photoluminescent rocks with a lux value above 40 should be used for night use. Users should limit ranges to under 10 yards and a club weighing over 20 lbs should be used for humane battering in the event that the deer is stunned. If follow up is required a suitably trained saber tooth tiger should be utilised"

 

[Nickb]

Please amend to " only suitable photoluminescent rocks with a lux value above 40 should be used for night use. Users should limit ranges to under 10 yards and a club weighing over 20 lbs should be used for humane battering in the event that the deer is stunned. If follow up is required a suitably trained saber tooth tiger should be utilised"

Tigers must be licensed and trained to Level 9 and registered with the Zoo club of Great Britain

 

[Mike1979]

Tigers must be licensed and trained to Level 9 and registered with the Zoo club of Great Britain

this is getting silly now ...but surely they should be registered with the Natural History Museum?

 

[25 Sharps]

Why can't you just believe him?
It’s not neccessary to love, or even enjoy, killing things to be a successful hunter, or to enjoy hunting itself.
In fact, enjoyment or love of killing things would be a bit weird, to be honest!
It's just something we do. The culmination of the hunt and the start of the food production process (assuming that the quarry is to be eaten. Exception made for foxes, rats etc).

I’ll be honest, I don’t get it when people say they don’t do it for the killing part. If stalking in close was the reason then photography would tick the box.

The KEY part of stalking is the kill or potential of killing an animal. Not that I would say I enjoy the killing as I don’t take enjoyment from that but equally, without the killing part it’s simply isn’t hunting so the kill has to be main part of the overall enjoyment. It’s why people generally get more satisfaction from a successful hunt than an unsuccessful one. This is even more emphasised if people blank for a few trips and then are successful.

If that makes sense!

 

[Mike1979]

I’ll be honest, I don’t get it when people say they don’t do it for the killing part. If stalking in close was the reason then photography would tick the box.

The KEY part of stalking is the kill or potential of killing an animal. Not that I would say I enjoy the killing as I don’t take enjoyment from that but equally, without the killing part it’s simply isn’t hunting so the kill has to be main part of the overall enjoyment. It’s why people generally get more satisfaction from a successful hunt than an unsuccessful one. This is even more emphasised if people blank for a few trips and then are successful.

If that makes sense!

VSS was just saying he agreed with what I was saying which is basically the same as you are saying...just saying

I enjoy every other part but dont think "I really enjoyed killing that animal" after I have a deer on the deck . I have no issues with killing and frankly its the easy part, its the rest that I enjoy

 

[Tim.243]

Jesus... All I've done is rightly point out that best practice for CL55 has been made mandatory. I didn't write the best practice guides and I'd have thought the older and wiser stalkers wouldn't have found it so triggering as to need to pick apart every mistake someone has made in the first 2 seasons of stalking.

Get some perspective people

With respect you always take the rifle and sticks (if you use them), I went to a 14 point Red Stag (live weight 170kg) which dropped to the shot in a ditch so out of sight, bit of thrashing then nothing. Made my approach (loaded rifle) got to a few yards and it looked right at me then tried to get up,
the shot had gone high so a spine shot, safety went fwd one in the neck. from about 3 yard.
I had a knife but the correct procedure was square myself up and despatch him asap to fix my mistake.

This has nothing to do with CL55 as your despatch post came up as part of this thread why I have no idea but it is what it is.

 

[Nickb]

VSS was just saying he agreed with what I was saying which is basically the same as you are saying...just saying

I enjoy every other part but dont think "I really enjoyed killing that animal" after I have a deer on the deck . I have no issues with killing and frankly its the easy part, its the rest that I enjoy

Go out with a camera then no need for a rifle.

Im just popping out now , I will try not to enjoy myself but I have got the rifle with me

 

[25 Sharps]

VSS was just saying he agreed with what I was saying which is basically the same as you are saying...just saying

I enjoy every other part but dont think "I really enjoyed killing that animal" after I have a deer on the deck . I have no issues with killing and frankly its the easy part, its the rest that I enjoy

Not quite, I don’t think people like to admit the killing is the reason they hunt. Without it you are not hunting , so it is a massive part of the overall enjoyment.

Probably a classic example of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Nickb]

Not quite, I don’t think people like to admit the killing is the reason they hunt. Without it you are not hunting , so it is a massive part of the overall enjoyment.

Exactly, but people won't admit it. I hunt because I am passionate about it.

 

[Jon P]

Have hunted most of my life, with terrier, spaniels , lurchers, ferrets, hawks. Hounds, guns. I have had some good hunts that have ended in no kills and it has still been a memorable enjoyable day.

 

[Nickb]

Have hunted most of my life, with terrier, spaniels , lurchers, ferrets, hawks. Hounds, guns. I have had some good hunts that have ended in no kills and it has still been a memorable enjoyable day.

That is not in dispute , but you still enjoyed it.

 

[ABL]

That is not in dispute , but you still enjoyed it.

If you’ve gone ferreting do you most enjoy the part when you break the rabbits neck? I didn’t, it was the anticipation and the sound of them running and then hitting the net. I was hunting for the pot so was always going to kill. But I wouldn’t say I enjoyed breaking their necks - I just tried to get it done quickly and painlessly.

 

[Jon P]

That is not in dispute , but you still enjoyed it.

I enjoy the successful hunt. But it is not the main priority when out, I started shooting as a kid as I wanted to work the dogs more. I have been out and let deer walk before now, especially the roe does, I don’t have to have a kill at the end of the day to come home happy- this year we are are on target for our deer numbers for the estate, so alls good.
Photo from last week to show I am not against killing animals

 

[kevtherev]

Does the night shooting licence cover dogging as that’s night shooting isn’t it?
Using a porridge gun though but similar risks involved I guess.
(Asking for a friend)

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

 

[Tim.243]

If you’ve gone ferreting do you most enjoy the part when you break the rabbits neck? I didn’t, it was the anticipation and the sound of them running and then hitting the net. I was hunting for the pot so was always going to kill. But I wouldn’t say I enjoyed breaking their necks - I just tried to get it done quickly and painlessly.

My part was breaking into the stop end with one of my ferrets scrapping at the back of a rabbit then getting a grip of the rabbits leg and pulling it out with the ferret going after the other one jammed at the stop end.

 

[VSS]

Let me put another slant on this:

I think that there's greater pleasure to be had not from killing the deer you want to kill, but from keeping the deer you want to keep.
When you look down your scope you make a life-or-death decision, and I defy anyone to deny that they get a buzz out of letting one walk on when they could have squeezed the trigger.
If it's the act of killing things that gives you your buzz then you might just as well get a job in an abattoir. You are not worthy to call yourself a hunter.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Let me put another slant on this:

I think that there's greater pleasure to be had not from killing the deer you want to kill, but from keeping the deer you want to keep.
When you look down your scope you make a life-or-death decision, and I defy anyone to deny that they get a buzz out of letting one walk on when they could have squeezed the trigger.
If it's the act of killing things that gives you your buzz then you might just as well get a job in an abattoir. You are not worthy to call yourself a hunter.

Amen

 

[Sol]

Never, never, assume that a deer has fully expired until you've actually prodded it.
Leaving your gear behind on the assumption that it was dead was a big mistake!

(Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, lost the deer).

One

One has to ask the question, why did you leave your rifle 200 yards away?

That’s a risk. I don’t think you want to be making.

One of the reasons I wish the firearm act was a bit more precise and stated an actual genuine distance within reason someone can carry a rifle without a certificate rather than it being incredibly subjective, there's been many times where I should probably carry a rifle with me however the legal consequences arent worth the risk.

There's pieces of ground where It makes no sense for mentor too follow me for retrieval so he stays back with the rifle, however If the deer is alive I'm not grabbing it and slitting Its throat (VSS can probably understand this!) and the sight line with me makes It unsafe or the terrain makes it infeasible too see the deer for a shot.

The only real dispatch method I would find the most logical and safest is the lung stab and twist, but I also agree Its by far the most inhumane too Its really not something I want too ever find myself doing on an otherwise "lively" yet downed deer, I'd rather just shoot it.

 

[kevtherev]

Let me put another slant on this:

I think that there's greater pleasure to be had not from killing the deer you want to kill, but from keeping the deer you want to keep.
When you look down your scope you make a life-or-death decision, and I defy anyone to deny that they get a buzz out of letting one walk on when they could have squeezed the trigger.
If it's the act of killing things that gives you your buzz then you might just as well get a job in an abattoir. You are not worthy to call yourself a hunter.

Applies to any animal I think
Any hare I see I leave alone as they were quite in decline in this area few years back.