Obsolete calibers.

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gixer1

gixer1

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Does a functioning obsolete caliber rifle need to be locked in an approved gun cabinet/safe or can it be hung on the wall in a room within a building that is locked when not inhabited?

And is this dependant on ammunition being available and if the ammunition was locked away from said rifle is it then ok to hang it on the wall?

Regards.
Gixer
 
gixer1 said:
Does a functioning obsolete caliber rifle need to be locked in an approved gun cabinet/safe or can it be hung on the wall in a room within a building that is locked when not inhabited?

And is this dependant on ammunition being available and if the ammunition was locked away from said rifle is it then ok to hang it on the wall?

Regards.
Gixer
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No...the reason it's obsolete is because ammunition is not readily available. If you have ammo for it then you'd need to put it on your fac. In general terms.
 
Hmmm.
I came across this some time ago when the licensing branch decreed that my Victorian .380 Rook Rifle should be on certificate as it would chamber a .38 Special round. After much too-ing and fro-ing the Head of Branch reluctantly accepted my point that the legislation clearly stated it to be an obsolete calibre and that it turned on what the rifle was designed and manufactured to accept rather than what it would accept. The clincher was my point that a 12 bore shotgun would accept and fire a 50cal armour-piercing round so by their reckoning all 12 bores were in fact anti-aircraft firearms. A bit of paper was eventually winged to me confirming that the rook was indeed off-certificate but “should ammunition be available this should be procured only after the said rook was put on certificate”.
Sooo as currently stands - no ammo, no safe, no certificate and on the wall!
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Frank Homes said:
No...the reason it's obsolete is because ammunition is not readily available. If you have ammo for it then you'd need to put it on your fac. In general terms.
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It’s on my FAC…so that part is ok, just curious if the ammunition was the thing that decides if it is obsolete or not…
 
gixer1 said:
It’s on my FAC…so that part is ok, just curious if the ammunition was the thing that decides if it is obsolete or not…
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Why is it on your FAC? If it is on the schedule of obsolete calibres no FAC is required. Get if off the FAC and hang it where you please.
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If it's on your FAC then the security requirements are exactly the same as any other section 1 firearm.
If you have it removed at a later date and declare it as a Section 58 then you can hang it back on the wall. If you have an identical one that you don't intend to shoot then you can hang that one on the wall.
Some forces will try to tell you that once it becomes a section 1 item it cannot be put back onto Section 58 but the guidance clearly states that if you no longer want to shoot it then it can revert back. I did this with a Remington Lee in .43" Spanish after the stock cracked (an old repair that gave way) and didn't want to put any more strain on it.
 
there is a list of section 58 cartridges.

www.gov.uk

Circular 001/2021: Antique Firearms Regulations 2021 and the Policing and Crime Act 2017 (Commencement No.11 and Transitional Provisions) Regulations 2021

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

if you have a firearm in one of these cartridges that you have no intention of shooting then it can be held under section 58. It does not need to be locked away

However if it is you intend to shoot it then it cannot be held under section 58, it needs to be on your FAC and treated as any other FAC rifle you hold, and secured as such
 
gixer1 said:
Does a functioning obsolete caliber rifle need to be locked in an approved gun cabinet/safe or can it be hung on the wall in a room within a building that is locked when not inhabited?

And is this dependant on ammunition being available and if the ammunition was locked away from said rifle is it then ok to hang it on the wall?

Regards.
Gixer
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No need to lock up in a cabinet, they can be wall hangers. Also no problem if ammunition available, my buddy has a Schmidt Rubin 1889 wall hanger, he also has a K31 in his cabinet and wmmunition for it- both will shoot the 7.5x55 round.
 
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