Open or closed

[timbrayford]

The conundrum raises the issue of whether the land clearance is becoming meaningless, but - while it still exists, in some forces, -some readers of this forum might unwittingly be at risk of breaching a condition of their FAC. And although I personally have had an open FAC for decades, I do think this whole issue needs to be clarified. If the police wish to make it a problem for certain people, they can, it seems. Far better to expose the land clearance thing as a nonsense and get the whole thing scrapped. But you don't do that by saying, in effect "oh, they won't apply that condition..."

Incidentally, in have in the past I have asked BASC. They said in relation to Scotland etc, the police might well simply ignore the wording if they felt like doing so. So why even impose it as a condition in the first place? To have such a grey area, at the mercy of police interpretation, is not a good position for FAC holders.

Its not just land clearance, restrictions on the quantity of ammunition held is a bit of a nonsense and pretty much unenforceable too.

 

[Tim.243]

They don't have to, additional restrictions on our shooting activities are entirely at the whim of FLDs, there's nothing else in the firearms act that prevents you using a firearm held for one good reason from a.o. lawful purpose.

I had a closed ticket had 3 farms cleared for .243 then opened in 14 months or ( a relaxed condition) as my late FEO called it Rip JH
People have to ask what socks to buy let alone look through the firearm guidance notes as they are to lazy.

 

[cjm1066]

The certificate has 4 statutory conditions which are restrictive, “Additional Conditions may be added here by the Chief Officer of Police”, so approved ranges only is fine (if appropriate) as it’s a restrictive condition, deer stalking doesn’t need the Police to condition, they issues a certificate for exactly thi purpose.

 

[Dalua]

I follow the conditions on my FAC, I have always accepted NI as part of the UK with the Union Jack.

That's what'd have thought, too - but I mentioned it as when I read this:

The wording on your cert is what you follow in England Wales

it seemed to suggest that you might not follow 'the wording on your cert' in Scotland, nor NI.

 

[Tim.243]

That's what'd have thought, too - but I mentioned it as when I read this:

it seemed to suggest that you might not follow 'the wording on your cert' in Scotland, nor NI.

Well I have more than enough deer locally so no need for me to leave Essex

 

[Dalua]

Well I have more than enough deer locally so no need for me to leave Essex

I'm pleased to hear that!

I suppose I was more concerned with the implications for other FAC-holders, who might conclude from your post that the conditions on their FACs were to be follow only in England and Wales rather that the rest of the UK (and NI) also - and then end up with problems if they did stray out of England or Wales.

 

[Tim.243]

I'm pleased to hear that!

I suppose I was more concerned with the implications for other FAC-holders, who might conclude from your post that the conditions on their FACs were to be follow only in England and Wales rather that the rest of the UK (and NI) also - and then end up with problems if they did stray out of England or Wales.

Then get admin to pin your advice as there are 37k + who will have the chance to read it and by tomorrow this thread will have drifted down the pages.