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[Lancaster]

So should we never question anything the police do in the line of duty? Should they not be held accountable by the public, because we "haven't been in that position"??

But other people, namely The Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards have looked at all the evidence, including body cam footage, and have no concerns about how the officers dealt with the incident.

Whilst there significant, indeed major, concerns regarding allegations of how some individual officers have conducted themselves, and also the ethos and attitudes within the Met, this incident isn't one of them.

People are being whipped into a frenzy by a video taken on a phone without full knowledge of what was going on, or indeed had happened prior to the dogs being shot.

The guy with the dogs had previously been banned from dog ownership, we don't know why, it may be because he had either mistreated dogs previously, or, as is more than possible, weaponised his dogs.

The outcome of the incident, whilst not easy to watch, wasn't due to the police, but the guys unreasonable and unpredictable behaviour whilst having two potentially dangerous dogs on hand, one of which he released.
Had the guy lunged at the police with a machete few people would have batted an eyelid, and only the section of the population who vilify the police at every opportunity would have been complaining.

 

[long_range_rob]

Sorry but I won’t sign or share. Being a copper in this day and age is a **** job. You have the public, press, lawyers, pressure groups, internet trolls and your career obsessed bosses second guessing your decision at leisure when those decisions are being made in the heat of the moment with only moments to choose. It seems whatever decision you choose is wrong and worthy of criminal prosecution from some group.

 

[TH4]

If the met directorate have carried out a full investigation into the circumstances already then its a shame the rest of the Met don't investigate other crimes that quickly

 

[bullet chucker]

Not allowed to taser dangerous dogs then?

BC.

 

[maximus otter]

Excellent job.

More land sharks/weapon dogs to be shot ASAP.

maximus otter

 

[User00053]

From my interpretation just a bad set of circumstances not helped by guy having a dog ban for some reason and not knowing any other detail. Don’t think it had to end the way it did and could have been imo been avoided without shooting either dog.
After it all went too far as to me badly managed by all concerned bar the dogs they were shot, probably in that moment would have done the same. Edit. Would not sign.

 

[FISH BOY]

That first one lunged at an officer and from that angle of the camera looks like its about to connect until its got a head full of lead. The second is running free back to the other officers apprehending the man, leaving them vulnerable to attack, shot dispatched that one removing the threat.

I suggest it doesn't matter what your opinion is, the bloke on the ground is the only one who can make the decision to shoot them, and if you haven't been in that position before you have no right to judge his actions, protecting himself or other officers or the public!

Sad event but it did look like it lunged at the officers - split second decision stuff.

They look like Rottweilers, which probably had the trigger man on a heightened sense of alert for the safety of his colleagues.

 

[yellow belly]

So should we never question anything the police do in the line of duty? Should they not be held accountable by the public, because we "haven't been in that position"??

Not in every instance, but in this one with clear video footage bloody right I am, unless you've got the bollocks to put that uniform on and do the job yourself!

 

[Bo Diddley]

There's a vigil tonight at 8pm outside New Scotland Yard, candles will be provided.

I'm trying to arrange flights and hotel.

Should be a good one.

You can't beat a good vigil with candles

 

[Bo Diddley]

weaponised his dogs.

^^^^This is what is happening, the perfect weapon for thugs. No sympathy for what happened in this case. I'm not a fan of Bull breeds in any guise.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Are they dangerously out of control??

Is there any evidence of what they're supposed to have done?
Like I said, in my opinion, it's a massive overreaction. That's what's troubling about it.

If a dog doesn't recall it can be classed as a.dog dangerously out of control... In reference to the other post you tagged me in, a number of places if you look hard enough. The dogs run towards a firearms bobby, they perceive the dog to be dangerous. Dead. Same as any other use of force.

Ultimately, it will all come out in the wash and I dare say owner of said dogs won't be such a nice person... Certainly not sweet and innocent like reports say

 

[StephenToast]

With the information presented. I'm in support of the police in this. I won't be sharing or signing.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

That is what happens when you arm the police. If your only tool is a hammer then all your problems become nails.
Makes a change from shooting unarmed members of the public I suppose

I see you're still a... You clearly have no clue whatsoever what is actually required to be a firearms officer and the justification of such force which is required. Then there's the requalification constantly and dealing at time with the highest level threats in the country. But no, Mr TH4 knows best doesn't he

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Not allowed to taser dangerous dogs then?

BC.

Ineffective and you'd need a bloody good shot

 

[User00053]

Was expecting to see more damage and mess to the first dog do we know what is the polices preferred load is ?

 

[BenBhoy]

I'm not a fan of Bull breeds in any guise.

Therein lies part of the problem. Perception & opinions are formed. I've had bull breeds in some guise since I was 11. Never, not one, issue over several dogs. Had more problems with lurchers & a mental jack Russell!

 

[BenBhoy]

If a dog doesn't recall it can be classed as a.dog dangerously out of control...

If that's the only stipulation for trained marksman deciding to kill a dog, there'd be piles of dead pooches in every public park the length of the country!

 

[Bo Diddley]

Therein lies part of the problem. Perception & opinions are formed. I've had bull breeds in some guise since I was 11. Never, not one, issue over several dogs. Had more problems with lurchers & a mental jack Russell!

I'm well versed in bull breeds buddy, mixing with the wrong people when I was younger, and I'm not talking about the idiots that you see walking in the cities with their mashup of breeds trying to be the next gangster. I don't think you will get much sympathy from the good folks on SD

 

[User00053]

Therein lies part of the problem. Perception & opinions are formed. I've had bull breeds in some guise since I was 11. Never, not one, issue over several dogs. Had more problems with lurchers & a mental jack Russell!

Encountered a bull cross lurcher which would turn a fox inside out for jollies trouble was hard to switch off, been on the wrong end of a so called staffy bull nasty thing and came to a bad end, but yes they do get bad press and Some not deserved.

 

[BenBhoy]

I'm well versed in bull breeds buddy

Never stated you wasn't, buddy....