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[Bo Diddley]

Never stated you wasn't, buddy....

 

[hendrix's rifle]

If that's the only stipulation for trained marksman deciding to kill a dog, there'd be piles of dead pooches in every public park the length of the country!

I'm stating what can constitute as a dog dangerously out of control. Any decision made to fire will NOT have been taken lightly. I never once said that's the stipulation. You're starting to irritate me because you clearly can't read or do your own research

 

[Lancaster]

If that's the only stipulation for trained marksman deciding to kill a dog, there'd be piles of dead pooches in every public park the length of the country!

Sorry, you're just talking carp now, and you know it.....

 

[shakey jake]

if the guy had listened instead of argueing he would have diffused the situation, first dog went towards police totally justified, second dog i think they tried to taser, it then ran towards other coppers, totally justified.
why does any pet dog needs a harness like that?
another pointless police bashing protest

 

[BenBhoy]

Sorry, you're just talking carp now, and you know it.....

It was somewhat tongue in cheek..

 

[imnotrucknut]

Nope.not signing

 

[User00047]

That bloke was clearly off his Barnet and being an absolute cock. He was responsible for the dogs and failed them because of his behaviour.
Police have a responsibility to protect the public and made quick decisions under pressure which they thought were correct at the time.
I support the police in this situation.

 

[Sampo]

Not signing it. Use of force was justified in this occassion. Its the owner who failed to comply and thereby caused it and if what I read is true, hes not allowed to be owning dogs. Could it be percieved the same as an offensive weapon in publicc or someone holding a firearm without a license. The threat had to be neutralised for pubic safety. As police in the UK do no carry firearms, the incident would have taken some time for the firearms team to get there, plenty of time for the guy to comply if he wanted to and put the dogs in the hands of trained controllers to be collected later on or rehoused.

Was it an ideal outcome - probably not, was it necessary under the current circumstances - yes.

 

[Firefly]

Sad but entirely justified.

 

[One on top of two]

Done .

Fukcing shameful.

 

[TH4]

I see you're still a... You clearly have no clue whatsoever what is actually required to be a firearms officer and the justification of such force which is required. Then there's the requalification constantly and dealing at time with the highest level threats in the country. But no, Mr TH4 knows best doesn't he

Same old voices. Don't care what members of your gang do it's all ok because they are police. Bet you made excuses about the findings of the enquiry into the Met. Not exactly glowing was it? But I bet it was all lies according to you. I have my opinion and you have yours, that is allowed in this police state I think. You sound like a very angry person, hope you were not like that when you were in the job.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

Same old voices. Don't care what members of your gang do it's all ok because they are police. Bet you made excuses about the findings of the enquiry into the Met. Not exactly glowing was it? But I bet it was all lies according to you. I have my opinion and you have yours, that is allowed in this police state I think. You sound like a very angry person, hope you were not like that when you were in the job.

And that's what people tend to forget, it's the decent ones that blow the whistle, it's the decent ones that take great pleasure in weeding the wrong ones out, which there are. You may have had a bad experience, I can assure you we're not all the same
Again though, firearms officers do not have an easy ride, another thing I left out, if they do take a shot for whatever reason that may be, they're effectively suspended from work pending an investigation. Some of those take their dear sweet time.

 

[foxinmad]

I'm well versed in bull breeds buddy, mixing with the wrong people when I was younger, and I'm not talking about the idiots that you see walking in the cities with their mashup of breeds trying to be the next gangster. I don't think you will get much sympathy from the good folks on SD

This^

 

[SimpleSimon]

If the met directorate have carried out a full investigation into the circumstances already then its a shame the rest of the Met don't investigate other crimes that quickly

Unfortunately, criminals don't tend to record their antics live from multiple angles, nor stage a recorded briefing detailing their planned crimes before they do them, nor have a roll-call of everyone present and the decision-makers not present, nor follow an approved and immediate post incident procedure to make evidence available to investigators.

If criminals did all that I'm sure the Met would be able to investigate them just as effectively as they investigated this incident

 

[TH4]

The reference was to not investigating crimes at all just writing them off because they are too busy.

 

[Lancaster]

The reference was to not investigating crimes at all just writing them off because they are too busy.

Oh, and imagine how people like you, who obviously has a huge chip on your shoulder about the Police, would react if the Police had shot two dogs and didn't have time to investigate whether the officers concerned had acted in an appropriate manner.
Whatever the Police do it will never be right in the eyes of some folk.

 

[jimmer.13]

But other people, namely The Met’s Directorate of Professional Standards have looked at all the evidence, including body cam footage, and have no concerns about how the officers dealt with the incident.

Whilst there significant, indeed major, concerns regarding allegations of how some individual officers have conducted themselves, and also the ethos and attitudes within the Met, this incident isn't one of them.

People are being whipped into a frenzy by a video taken on a phone without full knowledge of what was going on, or indeed had happened prior to the dogs being shot.

The guy with the dogs had previously been banned from dog ownership, we don't know why, it may be because he had either mistreated dogs previously, or, as is more than possible, weaponised his dogs.

The outcome of the incident, whilst not easy to watch, wasn't due to the police, but the guys unreasonable and unpredictable behaviour whilst having two potentially dangerous dogs on hand, one of which he released.
Had the guy lunged at the police with a machete few people would have batted an eyelid, and only the section of the population who vilify the police at every opportunity would have been complaining.

There was a story circulating once about a copper kneeling on some horrible criminal. I think he later died as he was smacked up on fentanyl or something.
A load of bed wetters had a melt down or something

 

[jimmer.13]

Was expecting to see more damage and mess to the first dog do we know what is the polices preferred load is ?

Bet it was copper

See what I did there….

Now then where’s me coat

 

[TH4]

W

Oh, and imagine how people like you, who obviously has a huge chip on your shoulder about the Police, would react if the Police had shot two dogs and didn't have time to investigate whether the officers concerned had acted in an appropriate manner.
Whatever the Police do it will never be right in the eyes of some folk.

Ha

Oh, and imagine how people like you, who obviously has a huge chip on your shoulder about the Police, would react if the Police had shot two dogs and didn't have time to investigate whether the officers concerned had acted in an appropriate manner.
Whatever the Police do it will never be right in the eyes of some folk.

Wouldn't be an ex cop would you? Look at all the recent enquiries and the findings regarding the state of the police and policing and then tell me how wonderful they are. The met not fit for purpose was one of them. Or were they all wrong too

 

[Lancaster]

W

Ha

Wouldn't be an ex cop would you? Look at all the recent enquiries and the findings regarding the state of the police and policing and then tell me how wonderful they are. The met not fit for purpose was one of them. Or were they all wrong too

Nobody in their right mind would say that the Met is a shining example of Policing, but a huge amount of resource is being utilised to investigate and remove officers who have engaged in criminality, acted not in a manner befitting someone in public service, or who do not meet the standards expected of them.
However, I do not make sweeping generalisations that tars all officers with the same brush, and I suspect that the majority of serving Met officers are sickened to the pits of their stomachs by the results of recent prosecutions and enquiries.

To be specific about this case; a firearm and a taser were discharged during the arrest of this person, and a speedy, rigorous and unbiased review took place.
I would expect that this will have involved statements, body cam footage, radio comms etc.
The enquiry found that the officers had acted appropriately when dealing with the situation.

I repeat that had the investigation not taken place you would be complaining, it did take place and you are still complaining.

No matter what the Police do, it will never be right in your eyes.