Roosting Feral pigeon control with artificial light.

I phoned defra today to seek clarity, they directed me to bpca website, why does the gov get private associationd to give clarity?
I looked and the site had been last updated 2021.
I then phoned npta, they hadnt noticed the ommision of illuminating devices.
They have inturn contacted natural england, who are going to respond within 10 days.
 
Good news then. As I usually shoot the ferals with nv or thermal. A lot easier than trying to thin them out during the day.
 
I phoned defra today to seek clarity, they directed me to bpca website, why does the gov get private associationd to give clarity?
I looked and the site had been last updated 2021.
I then phoned npta, they hadnt noticed the ommision of illuminating devices.
They have inturn contacted natural england, who are going to respond within 10 days.

Good news then. As I usually shoot the ferals with nv or thermal. A lot easier than trying to thin them out during the day.
I think that there might be a misunderstanding of the law here, which is very confusing.:-|

The use of lights, and NV for shooting birds including feral pigeon is prohibited under the WCA 1981 Section 5 (1).
It was permitted by the pre-April 2019 licences GL04/05/06, but these were unlawful for other reasons so were revoked (see last link).

The 'authority' was removed from the next 2-year licences GL35/36, and the current GL41/42 which were largely reworded.
It follows that any method that isn't expressly permitted by GL41/42 (which is issued subject to the WCA & other Acts) is illegal.

I doubt that NE's overriding of 5(1)c (v-vi) ever was legal after reading the limitations on DEFRA's powers under the later sub-sections 5(2)- 5(3).


 
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I think that there might be a misunderstanding of the law here, which is very confusing.:-|

The use of lights, and NV for shooting birds including feral pigeon is prohibited under the WCA 1981 Section 5 (1).
It was permitted by the pre-April 2019 licences GL04/05/06, but these were unlawful for other reasons so were revoked (see last link).

The 'authority' was removed from the next 2-year licences GL35/36, and the current GL41/42 which were largely reworded.
It follows that any method that isn't expressly permitted by GL41/42 (which is issued subject to the WCA & other Acts) is illegal.

I doubt that NE's overriding of 5(1)c (v-vi) ever was legal after reading the limitations on DEFRA's powers under the later sub-sections 5(2)- 5(3).


That makes sense, i would agree.
Im still waiting on clarification though. I do also wonder if thermal scopes are legal?
 
That makes sense, i would agree.
Im still waiting on clarification though. I do also wonder if thermal scopes are legal?
Wouldn't that be . . .??? :)
WCA 5.(1) c (v)any device for illuminating a target or any sighting device for night shooting;
 
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Yeh unfortunately I won’t be stopping
It’s the only way they can be controlled effectively so as far as I’m concerned it doesn’t say it’s illegal and I’ve had no notice of the legality being changed
It states the ONLY methods for controlling protected species, any method not covered on the licence is illegal.
 
Proof we need to read the bird licenses each jan, this was changed and no one seemed to notice or if they did it wasnt shared widley
 
Thank you for your enquiry.



Under section 1 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 all wild birds (as defined in section 27 of the 1981 Act), their nests, eggs and young are protected from harm. However, the law also recognises that there are situations where it is legitimate to control birds, their nests and young for certain purposes (listed in section 16(1) of the 1981 Act) under licence.



Feral pigeon is permitted target species under GL41, for the purpose of preventing slips and falls; spread of human disease; and issues with birds nesting and GL42 to prevent serious damage to livestock foodstuffs, crops, fruit and vegetables. You do not need to apply to use these licences, but you must follow their terms and conditions and ensure that your circumstances are covered by a licence before relying on it.



Methods you can use under this licence

You are authorised to use any of the following methods:

  • prick eggs
  • oil eggs
  • destroy eggs and nests
  • kill or take by hand
  • use targeted falconry
  • shoot with any firearm, including ‘semi-automatic weapons’, shotguns or air guns
  • trap with a ‘permitted cage trap design’
  • take birds whilst not in flight with any hand-held or hand-propelled net


An illuminating device or sighting device for night shooting is not a permitted method for any permitted target species under Defra’s general licences.



If your circumstances are not covered by Defra’s general licences, you must apply for a licence from Natural England. Natural England have launched a pre application screening form which allows potential applicants to describe their situation by answering a few short questions. They will then be advised of the likelihood of obtaining a licence.



For further information on controlling birds, please contact Natural England wildlife licensing via wildlife@naturalengland.org.uk or ring 020 8026 1089.



We hope you find this information useful.



Best wishes



Defra General Licence Customer Service Team
 
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