Is anyone actually surprised ?
Salmond v Sturgeon
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Should have used a carbon fibre sturgeon rod with matching state-of-the-art fixed spool real rather than a Richard Walker split cane and centre pin.
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You can tell when a politician is lying its really easy ... their lips are moving !
Freeforester
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Murrell strikes again!
www.express.co.uk
SNP independence bid in doubt as Sturgeon faces 48 hours of reckoning
THREE members of an SNP committee have resigned following a row over the Nationalist financial accounts.
www.express.co.uk
Freeforester
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Look on the bright side Malc, at least we’ll get a plentifu’ supply of bananas now... oh, wait....
My gut tells me that things have changed since the last referendum. Clearly, we've had Brexit and all that goes with it. And giving the independence vote to 16 and 17 year olds who have frankly little geo-political knowledge, experience or sense of history may help tip the balance.
Especially if the question is phrased as "Should Scotland be an independent country? Yes or No".
There is no middle ground offered so it becomes a binary choice between two polar extremes.
Salmond lost the last one, as he had no answers to what would happen afterwards, if successful. And, while I can't see this being any different this time round, I have a feeling we may have Hadrian's wall back before we know it.
Woodsmoke
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Even as a proponent of Scottish Independence, this makes me truly afraid for my country. I've made no secret of my wish to see Scotland an Independent country, but I hope you all also appreciate that my support isn't given at any cost, nor is it borne of any anti-English sentiment whatsoever.
The SNP have gained, and retained power due to their focused and repeated appeals to the unemployed, unemployable, poorly-educated, and ignorantly nationalistic demographics in our major cities while systematically stripping Scotland of utilities, facilities, education, health, and civil services over the decades they've been in power. The party while under Salmond's leadership had my support to a degree, but Sturgeon has proven herself a wickedly single-minded bitch intent on her own advancement at the cost of all others, and especially that of the Scots/English relationship.
I though I hated Margaret Thatcher, but that pales into insignificance compared to the hatred I have for Sturgeon and her lickspittle tin-pot dictatorship
The SNP have gained, and retained power due to their focused and repeated appeals to the unemployed, unemployable, poorly-educated, and ignorantly nationalistic demographics in our major cities while systematically stripping Scotland of utilities, facilities, education, health, and civil services over the decades they've been in power. The party while under Salmond's leadership had my support to a degree, but Sturgeon has proven herself a wickedly single-minded bitch intent on her own advancement at the cost of all others, and especially that of the Scots/English relationship.
I though I hated Margaret Thatcher, but that pales into insignificance compared to the hatred I have for Sturgeon and her lickspittle tin-pot dictatorship
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Freeforester
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I think you underestimate the doubt surrounding all the very real unanswered questions and problems that still remain as intractable as last time: basic funding, and the implications of borrowing on the open market for same on inflationary pressures, the currency question, and once again the same implications on inflationary pressures - do you really think a majority of people are going to give up their currency and assets valued in Sterling for a new, unknown and certainly devalued one in such turbulent times with little by way of ‘bananas’ to back up same?
To win a National election may be one thing, but to ask a people to sign up for a decade more of real austerity measures, all the while to expect ones assets to be worth 30% or so less at the other end would not be much of a vote-winner in most folks view, much less canny Scots. The EU membership question may well have to be revisited before any approach be made, especially since the prospective ‘hosts’ have shown a mite much of their true colours for many in recent days, and the unresolved question of Spanish and Belgian disinclination to see balkanisation at home would not encourage them to permit Scotland to accede, leaving quite aside the fledgling nation’s fearsome economic travails. La Stalin also knows very well she is drinking at the last chance saloon, for to lose a second referendum would spell the end of ’the drreeem’ for a lifetime. Despite her little win today, she has an enormous battle ahead of her internally in her party, as well as from a galvanised unionist coalition. Nor has the dust settled on her ’husband’s part in the Salmond affair, as well as the others in the picture.
Her party is fast hitting the economic buffers (see #507), much as her party’s stewardship has diminished the country they profess to
love; numerous economic disasters both in the past decade and still unfolding (including the next embarrassment, the Lochaber Aluminium smelter debacle) serve to demonstrate all too clearly that they simply are incompetent economic managers, contract negotiators and strategists; this has not gone unnoticed here.
To think that independence is now so much as a rubber stamp exercise, or is as good as done, is fanciful at best.
Malxwal
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@Freeforester , I truly hope you are right. But I fear from the way the rabid talk that they see this whole thing as war, and no reasoning or prisoners to be had. Truly, the definition of fanatics.
Salmond committee criticises 'serious flaws' of Scottish government
A committee of MSPs says the female complainers were badly let down by the Scottish government.
www.bbc.co.uk
The big question in my mind is whether Salmond really goes for the jugular now. He has evidence (he says) which proves that there was a witch hunt - will he produce it now, or continue to bide his time?
So yesterday, Sturgeon was found innocent of breaching the ministerial code, although the remit was quite narrow and there were some err.....discrepancies in the way the truth was presented...... Today , not so good as Krankie and her chums have been found to have misled parliament, but obviously this isn't a resignation issue either apparently....... We all know how the Scottish Nasty Party feels about Democracy when the answer is "wrong"...... ignore the majority view and scream louder for the independence nirvana.
If Mr Fumble has further evidence , it'll be interesting to see when he releases it as the Holyrood cooncil goes into purdah (prior to the election) tomorrow so he'll have to get his timing right.
The sad thing is, neither Krankie, Mr Fumble nor the government come out of this looking competent or even vaguely honest, they will be supported by the SNP Green poodles and so Krankie will avoid an embarrassing exit from Bute house and the rest of us will be left to listen to yet more lies in the run up to the election. Funny how there hasn't been any more stories about Mr Fumble, but maybe these will come out at some stage..........
If Mr Fumble has further evidence , it'll be interesting to see when he releases it as the Holyrood cooncil goes into purdah (prior to the election) tomorrow so he'll have to get his timing right.
The sad thing is, neither Krankie, Mr Fumble nor the government come out of this looking competent or even vaguely honest, they will be supported by the SNP Green poodles and so Krankie will avoid an embarrassing exit from Bute house and the rest of us will be left to listen to yet more lies in the run up to the election. Funny how there hasn't been any more stories about Mr Fumble, but maybe these will come out at some stage..........
Sorry Woody, with you on most things but saying your support isn't given at any cost is just a way of saying "I want my cake, but I want that one, if I don't get it I won't have one". Rather a selfish way saying "I only want it if it's better than what we have now, but I don't want to pay for it".
dartmoordog
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But is it only Scots that want independence, or to be split form the English. 
