Quite funny really, the only time I didn't vote Tory was when I lived in the Borders. I questioned the prospective MP's about field sports and was very impressed with the attitude of the Liberal, so voted for him .Now I just write "None of these" across the slip.
Scotland the Brave??
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Heym SR20
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This Blog rather says it all. A constitutional mess between Scotland and the rest of the UK will be very bad for everyone, especially as we try to rebuild post pandemic and BREXIT.
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Scotland – Does it have to be a binary question? - Blain's Morning Porridge
9 years after Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom, the neferendum continues as Sturgeon demands a recount. But does it have to be this way? Independence looks like economic suicide, but Scotland is a nation rich in inventive people. Maybe we need something different: a new Union of...
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If it’s what the Scotts want let them crack-on.
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Kranky lives in cloud cuckoo land...all the stuff Scots get that the English don’t - free university, free prescriptions etc etc - how is she going to pay for them all without the disproportionate amount of English money that flows north over the wall?
It will be a complete disaster for the country and after a short while will be asking to rejoin the union.
It will be a complete disaster for the country and after a short while will be asking to rejoin the union.
Sinistral
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Allocating the 56 regional 'list' seats by PR compensates the other parties who didn't get many constituency seats. The SNP will only get a handful of these no matter what. The issue will be the Scottish Greens, who I think will get 5 or 6 seats from their chunk of the national vote.
The SNP have always said calling a referendum depends on 65 'pro-independence' MSPs getting elected, not on the SNP getting the 65 seat majority themselves. Either result is bound to happen now.
Presumably they are hoping that the German tax payer will send them their gyros in place of the English
for us?
We in England are largely not left wing
The negative is that we would lose a great and important part of the UK
However in return we would gain some freedom from a political left wing yoke and a significant economic drain
As for joining the EU
I can't see the EU surviving, let alone welcoming in another economic basket case to be paid for from diminishing coffers
Well we should all now be familiar with the reality of a close vote and that however small the majority we accept the will of the people. Why then do so many South of the Border appear unable to accept this in the context of the SNP’s clearly stated policies that however credible or otherwise, are demonstrably to the electorate’s liking?
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I would agree with that, while we may not like it thats what living in a democracy means.
Rake Aboot
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What happened to once in a generation vote????????
Scandially
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She was referring to mayfliesWhat happened to once in a generation vote????????
That isn't what happened in either case. The outrage with Brexit was that because an overwhelming Europhile Parliament and media establishment disagreed with the result they used slander, insults and project fear propaganda to try and discredit those who had voted for it and abused Parliamentary process to try and reverse it. The result, as we have seen, was to unite left and right voters and destroy old electoral certainties.
No one I'm aware of has suggested that any SNP majority is the result of gerrymandering on their part. Just that those policies they have put into effect in government have been disastrous and any coherent programme for an independent Scotland appears to be non-existent and they have been able to get away with this because the voting system in Scotland is a mess that would seem expressly designed to produce demagoguery, which is certainly what has happened an we have the Blair/Brown government to thank for this mess.
Ok so if the SNP win and gain independence, does that necessarily mean they will be in power when Independence day actually comes along?
They way I understand it is that they are a Nationalist party. Does that make them redundant on that particular day? (Possibly why NS is shying away from confirming a possible date for independence!)
To me there would actually need to be another election to say who actually rules from that day onwards!
At that point the other parties need to up their game and make a real effort to show what they plan.
They way I understand it is that they are a Nationalist party. Does that make them redundant on that particular day? (Possibly why NS is shying away from confirming a possible date for independence!)
To me there would actually need to be another election to say who actually rules from that day onwards!
At that point the other parties need to up their game and make a real effort to show what they plan.
del.gue
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I love Scotland, got several friends up there would like them to stay as part of the union...
But i am now of the opinion that i really dont care that much if they go.
But it has to real independence, a border, your own currency, no hand outs...
The biggest plus would be not having to listen to the whinging poison dwarf who will not have Westminster blame when it goes t*ts up.
But i am now of the opinion that i really dont care that much if they go.
But it has to real independence, a border, your own currency, no hand outs...
The biggest plus would be not having to listen to the whinging poison dwarf who will not have Westminster blame when it goes t*ts up.
SNP are just a cult, they are only about sound bites, messaging and window dressing. No delivery. No progress. All daydreams.
Why folk can’t see through all the BS astonishes me.
I get that Scotland is socialist, my own family largely from the areas and industries that had that view.
But even socialists can surely critique, hold to account, or even simply balance tax income versus expenditure.
Why folk can’t see through all the BS astonishes me.
I get that Scotland is socialist, my own family largely from the areas and industries that had that view.
But even socialists can surely critique, hold to account, or even simply balance tax income versus expenditure.
Nope. Fraid not.
The guiding principle of socialism is that when something turns out to be a catastrophic failure, it must be because you didn't do enough of it and the remedy is to repeat the same mistake but with greater fervour.
It's called the law of diminishing returns, or disappearing up your own a*se and it's the process by which Scotland came to be living under the rule-without-responsibility of an angry little parochial feudalist who would fail a 1950's primary school mathematics test.
And the answer, of course, when it all goes sour, all the money's gone and everyone's broke, will be to do it all again but really mean it this time...
they will morph into a new Scottish Labour party
and it will be somebody else's fault. AKA a big boy did it and ran away!
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