SD deer dog register

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Sheffield seems like the most central location of the uk? Lets get the ball rolling then.. Who is going to govern the register? Bds? Basc? NGO? Maybe one or more of those organisation could have a presence at any possible meeting?
 
Tony,Jezzie,Widu.............Oxfordshire ain't central
Anything north of Hadrian wall,at the border,is central:D
 
:gheyfight:
Wow!
I am getting deeply impressed reading how quick and almost straight things may develope....! Thats great!

Occassionally it comes up about the costs...
Here in Germany the official (listed) bloodhound stations work and track for free, there is only a fixed limit for paying the team the diesel costs.
I had all kinds of payment from clients calling us: From not even a honest "Thank You!", to a 5€ worth bundle of vegetables, from a lot of cash money, up to some very generous hunting invitations....
To keep it this way improves that the tracking teams work for the welfare, not for their wallet....

Keep going, its te right way you are on!

:tiphat:Michael
 
Wildboar1973 said:
:gheyfight:
Wow!
I am getting deeply impressed reading how quick and almost straight things may develope....! Thats great!

Occassionally it comes up about the costs...
Here in Germany the official (listed) bloodhound stations work and track for free, there is only a fixed limit for paying the team the diesel costs.
I had all kinds of payment from clients calling us: From not even a honest "Thank You!", to a 5€ worth bundle of vegetables, from a lot of cash money, up to some very generous hunting invitations....
To keep it this way improves that the tracking teams work for the welfare, not for their wallet....

Keep going, its te right way you are on!

:tiphat:Michael
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Thats how it should be!

And georgey porgey when has Sheffield been in Oxfordshire??? Get back to Dundee uni min:fester::rofl:
 
Thank You Michael.
What about before we organise a meeting we try to get an idea of numbers. So we can have some idea of what size of venue would be needed. Also ask the major organisations if they are willing to support this or not. Just a thought.

​ Regards Widu.
 
I've always took a great deal off interrest in reading these theads and it has truely amazed me 12 pages and not 1 dummy spat out yet!!!

I think that is a bloody massive leap a thread like this 1,2 or 3 years ago would have been hand bags at dawn and folk banned all over the shop. In my eyes that shows how far u have come in a pretty short space off time really.There is still a lot to be sorted out but more and more people are signing from the same hymn sheet now and i'm sure over the months and years that will only grow.

Probably the way forward is to get as many training/ dogs for deer days as possible and try to get as many newbies doing the basic's while also taking the more experienced boys to the next level

Cookingfat, are ur courses throu the NGO oversuscribed? or is there a limit to the number of courses they run every year. Althou i imagine a lack of time of the few good knowledable trainers and a lack of other good knowledable trainers could also be a problem. Possibly courses to train the trainers? althou i imagine that would be like ur advanced courses anyway

I think the big problem u may have which will be very hard to solve is the simple fact most folk i know lead pretty hectic lives and are busy with work plus there normal family life. If u lose a deer at last light on a sunday nite i imagine it may be a problem finding a team to go out as most folk will be working. Supose not fair to concentrate on that a it's more about the many other deer the
register will find thou.

Finally and possibly slightly off topic but how does it work on the continent, i get the whole welfare side off things. I'm struggling to get my head round the finnacial side off things, if u have 2 shoots in 1 commercial driven large game fairly regulary shooting biggish bags and paying beaters, and the other local boys out once or twice a year shooting small bags. While i appreciate the welfare stanards should remain the same but i think it is unfair that a large shoot run as a profit making business gets all ur hard work and training put into ur dog for free.
I know this is different way off thinking but hard to get out off the uk dog working mindset, i moan a bit over here about beaters/pickers up's pay, not a problem on small family type shoots but if a shoot is ran for a profit they should pay u a proper wage, don't get other businesses paying folk £30 for a days work so they can make an extra profit

Wish u all the best with it, as i said earlier a few years ago i thought it would be a really loooong way off but i dinae think u are that far way now. Just a case of educating f**kwits like me now;)
 
I pick up on two commercial shoots in the Cotswolds and I run 4/5 dogs. I get thirty quid, I certainly don't do it for the money, I do it because I love working my dogs. I see the thirty quid I get as a bit of a bonus that I use to buy the dogs food. I would still go if I got no money. I have the same attitude towards being a part of the register, I want to do it because I love working dogs, and I'm sure anyone who is serious about being a part of it wants to for the same reason.
 
countrryboy said:
I've always took a great deal off interrest in reading these theads and it has truely amazed me 12 pages and not 1 dummy spat out yet!!!

I think that is a bloody massive leap a thread like this 1,2 or 3 years ago would have been hand bags at dawn and folk banned all over the shop. In my eyes that shows how far u have come in a pretty short space off time really.There is still a lot to be sorted out but more and more people are signing from the same hymn sheet now and i'm sure over the months and years that will only grow.

Probably the way forward is to get as many training/ dogs for deer days as possible and try to get as many newbies doing the basic's while also taking the more experienced boys to the next level

Cookingfat, are ur courses throu the NGO oversuscribed? or is there a limit to the number of courses they run every year. Althou i imagine a lack of time of the few good knowledable trainers and a lack of other good knowledable trainers could also be a problem. Possibly courses to train the trainers? althou i imagine that would be like ur advanced courses anyway

I think the big problem u may have which will be very hard to solve is the simple fact most folk i know lead pretty hectic lives and are busy with work plus there normal family life. If u lose a deer at last light on a sunday nite i imagine it may be a problem finding a team to go out as most folk will be working. Supose not fair to concentrate on that a it's more about the many other deer the
register will find thou.

Finally and possibly slightly off topic but how does it work on the continent, i get the whole welfare side off things. I'm struggling to get my head round the finnacial side off things, if u have 2 shoots in 1 commercial driven large game fairly regulary shooting biggish bags and paying beaters, and the other local boys out once or twice a year shooting small bags. While i appreciate the welfare stanards should remain the same but i think it is unfair that a large shoot run as a profit making business gets all ur hard work and training put into ur dog for free.
I know this is different way off thinking but hard to get out off the uk dog working mindset, i moan a bit over here about beaters/pickers up's pay, not a problem on small family type shoots but if a shoot is ran for a profit they should pay u a proper wage, don't get other businesses paying folk £30 for a days work so they can make an extra profit

Wish u all the best with it, as i said earlier a few years ago i thought it would be a really loooong way off but i dinae think u are that far way now. Just a case of educating f**kwits like me now;)
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I think a meeting should be up beside me,:D,especially when there will be German trackers doing a course at mine around September/October,we can get help from them as well as Kim and Tony......so Tony,stop being a tight fisted keeper an get yer erse up tae Gods country......a you need to do is get those white fivers oot the mattress you've been hoarding:rofl:
 
Wolverine said:
I think a meeting should be up beside me,:D,especially when there will be German trackers doing a course at mine around September/October,we can get help from them as well as Kim and Tony......so Tony,stop being a tight fisted keeper an get yer erse up tae Gods country......a you need to do is get those white fivers oot the mattress you've been hoarding:rofl:
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a tenners not going to get him far Mannie :rofl:
 
countrryboy
The next course I am involved with is a BDS one at my place, I will be run over a weekend and have one day for training people who have a young dog/pup or are thinking of getting one the other day will be a track testing day, I did help out with the NGO's last training day which was oversubscribed, I am seeing more people attending these days with a genuine interest and determination to train there dogs to track.
ok George £20 and I will renew my passport........
I will speak to Kim and Dan about come over to meet up.
 
cookingfat said:
countrryboy
The next course I am involved with is a BDS one at my place, I will be run over a weekend and have one day for training people who have a young dog/pup or are thinking of getting one the other day will be a track testing day, I did help out with the NGO's last training day which was oversubscribed, I am seeing more people attending these days with a genuine interest and determination to train there dogs to track.
ok George £20 and I will renew my passport........
I will speak to Kim and Dan about come over to meet up.
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Give me your bank account details:D
Get yer arse up here for that course.....
As for a meeting place for discussing things,I'm sure everybody keen on doing this will travel.Perfect for me this time if its just 5 miles;)Only jesting,we need to organise something that suits all,that will be a tall order I think.
Countrryboy,on the continent they have hound stations all set up and successfully run,as Michael has said,we can learn from them and their experiences.
I especially like the Danish system and the German system,which in Denmark are combined.
Guys with breeds of dogs(labs,wires and shorthairs)doing tests too get onto a register,learning all the time about real time tracking,then they have the option also,once experienced and if they have the work for the dogs and know what they are doing to a degree they can then join the Verein Hirschmann or KBGS,only if they want too of course.
These guys who do join these societies do everything to abide by German rules.
What we need in the UK is a system as such and guys who want too track........people who really want too track,have time commitment and a flexible job.
This will all take time and a bouncing off of views,all good though for tracking in the UK.
It's needed as well no matter what anyone says.
No payment as if there was a charge it may well put people off phoning for a wounded animal.There is a saying-Do not hire a man who does it for money but he who does it for the love of it...........
I think this is a good thing and can only benefit everybody,especially the wounded animal.
Tracking is a sport in its own right,some prefer to work dogs than shoot deer,with tracking its combined and is an achievement when dog/handler get to grips with a lightly wounded animal,sometimes over great distances.
 
widu said:
Thank You Michael.
What about before we organise a meeting we try to get an idea of numbers. So we can have some idea of what size of venue would be needed. Also ask the major organisations if they are willing to support this or not. Just a thought.

​ Regards Widu.
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I have emailed the training department of the BDS and spoken to the NGO to ask if they are willing to support any training and testing in the future, I have been down this rout before some years ago so I am not going to hold my breath, but things have moved on a long way since that time.
I have not approached BASC as I am not a member or a fan, perhaps David who is the BASC representative on this site could look into it as I would be interested to know what there take is on this matter.

I will be promoting the use of tracking dogs on the BDS stand at Highclere show again this year, please pop in and say hello to me and feel free to pick my brains on anything to do with tracking or this thread.

Tony
 
is this something that can be put into the best practice guidance as it stands at the moment there is little on using tracking dogs,atb wayne
 
I am pretty sure, that the major shooting and hunting organisations will support a nationwide (?) tracking network somehow. Its for the welfare of the suffering animals and also for the public view on hunting, stalking and shooting, if things go wrong or even RTA....

A lot of you / us are having good contacts to members or represantatives from BASC or others, so get them on board, pretty early, use their networks and popularity!

There should be also some support from the government and police, e.g. free trainings or courses for safer shooting under special conditions, or what the law allows you....

Hopefully you will also find some sponsors, who will support you with gear, clothing, etc. .
From my experiences I may add, that its good to get an official "Tracking Team jacket"... That gives everybody a positive attitude and may help to open a few more doors, if you know what I mean....

Keep going, you are on the right way! If you need any further help, just let us know....

:tiphat: Michael
 
Can I have a team jacket even if my dog/I am not ready for the register!! Seriously though, I think a nationwide network of dedicated teams/deer wardens to attend RTAs or to be called out by stalkers is the way forward. I seem to remember 25,000 RTAS last year being mentioned, or was a lot more! And that's just what is reported or known of. I look forward to this good idea moving forward and keeping the positive energy going. Such a register will not be so far into the future I believe with this interest. The numbers of teams may be few in the beginning but will soon grow with training and encouragement. Keep it going....
 
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