Section 5 firearms advice
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So when you go out stalking how do you carry a .410 shotgun and your rifle and lets get things right pistols are not banned because you can have one for humane despatch
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csl
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Sorry, but I'm going to delete any more comments like that.
Why does this subject always have to go this way? The law is the law. If you apply for a handgun for humane dispatch and can demonstrate good reason to the satisfaction of your particular police force (or in some cases to a court) then you will get one. If you apply and cannot demonstrate good reason you will not and you will have wasted time and money. End of story.
Making sweeping statements about what you think the motives of fellow stalkers are for applying for a handgun for humane dispatch is as utterly pointless as condemning another stalker's choice of rifle, of vehicle, of equipment, of how many sugars they have in their tea. Everyone's requirements are different... some stalkers rifles will take one deer a year, others hundreds.... some handguns may dispatch one animal a year... some dozens. It does deer stalking no credit on here to start calling out fellow stalkers based on their own choices.
Good reason is good reason as judged by the police force in question or a court of law... not someone on here with post-handgun ban preconceived ideas, bitterness or whatever else causes people to say such things.
The advice should be, only apply if you are sure you have good reason.
Alex
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sikamalc
Administrator
Sorry, but I'm going to delete any more comments like that.
Why does this subject always have to go this way? The law is the law. If you apply for a handgun for humane dispatch and can demonstrate good reason to the satisfaction of your particular police force (or in some cases to a court) then you will get one. If you apply and cannot demonstrate good reason you will not and you will have wasted time and money. End of story.
Making sweeping statements about what you think the motives of fellow stalkers are for applying for a handgun for humane dispatch is as utterly pointless as condemning another stalker's choice of rifle, of vehicle, of equipment, of how many sugars they have in their tea. Everyone's requirements are different... some stalkers rifles will take one deer a year, others hundreds.... some handguns may dispatch one animal a year... some dozens. It does deer stalking no credit on here to start calling out fellow stalkers based on their own choices.
Good reason is good reason as judged by the police force in question or a court of law... not someone on here with post-handgun ban preconceived ideas, bitterness or whatever else causes people to say such things.
The advice should be, only apply if you are sure you have good reason.
Alex[/QUOTE
Spot on Alex
Heym SR20
Well-Known Member
Sorry, but I'm going to delete any more comments like that.
Why does this subject always have to go this way? The law is the law. If you apply for a handgun for humane dispatch and can demonstrate good reason to the satisfaction of your particular police force (or in some cases to a court) then you will get one. If you apply and cannot demonstrate good reason you will not and you will have wasted time and money. End of story.
Making sweeping statements about what you think the motives of fellow stalkers are for applying for a handgun for humane dispatch is as utterly pointless as condemning another stalker's choice of rifle, of vehicle, of equipment, of how many sugars they have in their tea. Everyone's requirements are different... some stalkers rifles will take one deer a year, others hundreds.... some handguns may dispatch one animal a year... some dozens. It does deer stalking no credit on here to start calling out fellow stalkers based on their own choices.
Good reason is good reason as judged by the police force in question or a court of law... not someone on here with post-handgun ban preconceived ideas, bitterness or whatever else causes people to say such things.
The advice should be, only apply if you are sure you have good reason.
Alex[/QUOTE
Spot on Alex
Is it not compulsory in Germany to carry a handgun for humane dispatch when hunting deer and boar? It's funny how attitudes and legalities change within such a short distance and culture.
8x57
Distinguished Member
That`s why we all use the same model rifle , caliber , scope and all shoot on the same ground
......wait , we dont, we all are different and have different ideas and methods and hunt on very different terrain , personally I dont think a .410 has enough clout to humanely kill an injured but mobile stag , if the stag is in an urban area a handgun at close range ,say 10m , would be more suitable than a small shot gun.
palmer_mike
Well-Known Member
Why is that? (Not being argumentative, just that I have no experience of hd).
Because a 410 shot cartridge at 10m is not sufficient for a humane kill in my view where as a 44 or 45 pistol bullet certainly would be , sure a 410 will do the job if you can almost place the barrel on the animals head but if the animal is injured/stressed but still mobile its unlikely to stand still when you want to walk up to it and dispatch it, a stag with a big set of antlers is not something you want in your face/stomach.
smicha6551
Active Member
I hope this doesn't sound like a dumb question, but do you mean .410 with shot loads, or a .410 slug?
If a handgun is such a problem, and for whatever reason the full bore rifle you have isn't appropriate, why not something like a T/C Contender chambered for a pistol cartridge, but long enough to qualify as a rifle - you can load a subsonic load and with a moderator be rather quiet, it can be broken down for discreet and handy packing, and doesn't weigh all that much. Much easier to hit with than a pistol too thanks to the stock, and no section 5 gun needed.
If a handgun is such a problem, and for whatever reason the full bore rifle you have isn't appropriate, why not something like a T/C Contender chambered for a pistol cartridge, but long enough to qualify as a rifle - you can load a subsonic load and with a moderator be rather quiet, it can be broken down for discreet and handy packing, and doesn't weigh all that much. Much easier to hit with than a pistol too thanks to the stock, and no section 5 gun needed.
8x57
Distinguished Member
Forgetting about problems with "good reason" and justifying another firearm with the local constabulary the main reason that you see so few Contenders in this country is that they are hellish expensive.
sikamalc
Administrator
ERRR Cant understand how I was quoted on that comment as it was made by the previous poster NOT me. System overload!!!
My answer to your first Q is if you are going to use a slug you may as well use a pistol with a rifled barrel , they are more accurate , a 410 shot cartridge would not be sufficient for a humane kill at anything other than point blank.
csl
Administrator
No I can't understand it either Malc, it seems the system for crediting quotes has gone haywire.
It just means someone deleted all/part of a [noparse]
smicha6551
Active Member
It would be nice to have a multi-quote button.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating .410 slug - I only figured it would be easier to get permission for than a handgun, and the slug would be better than shot for putting game down (though still not great).
Wouldn't a Contender rifle be easier to satisfy "good reason" for than a handgun? I didn't realize Contenders were so expensive in the UK - here in the US, especially for older generation guns, they tend to be rather reasonably priced.
"Forgetting about problems with "good reason" and justifying another firearm with the local constabulary the main reason that you see so few Contenders in this country is that they are hellish expensive."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating .410 slug - I only figured it would be easier to get permission for than a handgun, and the slug would be better than shot for putting game down (though still not great).
Wouldn't a Contender rifle be easier to satisfy "good reason" for than a handgun? I didn't realize Contenders were so expensive in the UK - here in the US, especially for older generation guns, they tend to be rather reasonably priced.
"Forgetting about problems with "good reason" and justifying another firearm with the local constabulary the main reason that you see so few Contenders in this country is that they are hellish expensive."
csl
Administrator
Ideally a gun for HD would be light and compact -so it's no more of an encumbrance than necessary the 99.9% of the time that you don't need it- and accurate and powerful enough to get the job done 100% of the time when you do need it.
A sub-compact in .380 with a threaded barrel, QD moderator and lockable slide -back-up rounds are important but power and discretion are more important than instant reloading- would be about perfect. Add a little case to pack it all away in, just right for slipping into your pack as you get your rifle and ammo together before going out and you'd be all set.
Shame no one does anything like that. When they do, I might put in for one.
In the meantime, the combination/drilling option provides a handy back-up option in places where an extra unmoderated bang or two doesn't matter, and their suppressor-less nature means I've already got my ear defenders to hand (or "on head"!).
A sub-compact in .380 with a threaded barrel, QD moderator and lockable slide -back-up rounds are important but power and discretion are more important than instant reloading- would be about perfect. Add a little case to pack it all away in, just right for slipping into your pack as you get your rifle and ammo together before going out and you'd be all set.
Shame no one does anything like that. When they do, I might put in for one.
In the meantime, the combination/drilling option provides a handy back-up option in places where an extra unmoderated bang or two doesn't matter, and their suppressor-less nature means I've already got my ear defenders to hand (or "on head"!).
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