SGA lead free ammo survey results

[Freeforester]

great for you. You have high levels of lead in your blood. Wonderful. You probably will die with those high levels of lead in your blood. Hopefully fir you, you will do so nice and peacefully.

However, not everyone will be so lucky. High levels of lead in yoyr blood, substantially increases the likelihood of nasty disease. So does smoking, poor diets and many other things.

Crack on eating lead - its a free country. But if you do develop leaukaemia, or small cell lung cancer etc, please do remember to point your elevated levels of lead in your blood to your oncologist, and point them towards the work being done at MD Anderson Cancer Clinic in Houston, Durham University and in the Netherlands on treatments for cancer removing lead from your body.

’You say it’s High, but he says it’s low,
it’s low it’s low,
I don’t know why you say it’s high
when he says low’

( with apologies to Macca and Lennon!)

 

[Smellydog]

great for you. You have high levels of lead in your blood. Wonderful. You probably will die with those high levels of lead in your blood. Hopefully fir you, you will do so nice and peacefully.

However, not everyone will be so lucky. High levels of lead in yoyr blood, substantially increases the likelihood of nasty disease. So does smoking, poor diets and many other things.

Crack on eating lead - its a free country. But if you do develop leaukaemia, or small cell lung cancer etc, please do remember to point your elevated levels of lead in your blood to your oncologist, and point them towards the work being done at MD Anderson Cancer Clinic in Houston, Durham University and in the Netherlands on treatments for cancer removing lead from your body.

And there you go, jumping to assumptions with a huge dollop of fear propping them up.
Didn't you understand what the chap wrote?
His lead levels were LOWER than normal despite eating a high diet of game shot with lead.
In layman's terms one could say he's done something on your fire!!

 

[sauer]

I'd rather eat lead shot game / venison than the current western diet of Ultra Processed Foods....
Just eats.... delivaroo...

Lots don't cook can't cook and eat sh1t 99% of the time

Diabetes , obesity....

Leads not good for you ... we all know that... is it responsible for alzehimers , dementia etc in later life? Maybe ?....

But what's all that UPF doing ?


Paul

 

[palmer_mike]

great for you. You have high levels of lead in your blood. Wonderful. You probably will die with those high levels of lead in your blood. Hopefully fir you, you will do so nice and peacefully.

However, not everyone will be so lucky. High levels of lead in yoyr blood, substantially increases the likelihood of nasty disease. So does smoking, poor diets and many other things.

Crack on eating lead - its a free country. But if you do develop leaukaemia, or small cell lung cancer etc, please do remember to point your elevated levels of lead in your blood to your oncologist, and point them towards the work being done at MD Anderson Cancer Clinic in Houston, Durham University and in the Netherlands on treatments for cancer removing lead from your body.

Quite funny that an advocate for lead free ammo smokes cigars (which commonly contain lead and cadmium amongst other nasties)

 

[David Barker]

Makes even less sense then that Scottish stalkers shooting roe does in March would be traumatised by shooting Hinds then too It goes back to my original point of the SGA appearing to use emotionally charged language and skewed polling data to push something they personally see as an issue. Something we'd expect from antis but not a responsible shooting organisation.

Not at all it makes sense to keep the season as it is in fact it would be better to shut the hinds down earlier. Give them a chance keep there strength up and get ready for birthing. The fact that we are stretching everything to its limits is fuel for Anti,s. We can now shoot stags right through the winter in line with England and beyond but still we have way to many deer in England and scotland, I know chaps in England that pay particular attention to bucks and stags and leave the does and hind alone. Now to me that is were the problem is for some. Me i like deer and i like the fact that when i go on to my areas i have a very high chance of see deer and keeping my freezer full.

 

[Heym SR20]

Quite funny that an advocate for lead free ammo smokes cigars (which commonly contain lead and cadmium amongst other nasties)

And, do I? I will admit ti having smoked a few in my life. Perhaps half a dozen in total

 

[palmer_mike]

And, do I? I will admit ti having smoked a few in my life. Perhaps half a dozen in total

Thread 'A good use for a 308 case'

Jan 10, 2024

And I will freely admit to having been involved in the Tobacco industry and seen all sides of it. Cigarettes are just full of crap. Think supermarket cheap cheap food.

Whereas a Cigar uses top quality leaf grown with minimal chemicals - think top quality organic food.

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Your thread from last January extolling the virtues of cigars, maybe this gave me the wrong impression?

Intriguing that you say you’ve been involved the the tobacco industry

 

[Freeforester]

And, do I? I will admit ti having smoked a few in my life. Perhaps half a dozen in total

I’ll bet you’ve eaten some of those organic carrots too, even in the knowledge that every person who has ever ingested one also ends up dead as a tacket..

 

[Freeforester]

Thread 'A good use for a 308 case'

Jan 10, 2024

And I will freely admit to having been involved in the Tobacco industry and seen all sides of it. Cigarettes are just full of crap. Think supermarket cheap cheap food.

Whereas a Cigar uses top quality leaf grown with minimal chemicals - think top quality organic food.

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Your thread from last January extolling the virtues of cigars, maybe this gave me the wrong impression?

Intriguing that you say you’ve been involved the the tobacco industry

There’s few as evangelical as the reformed smoker…

 

[Heym SR20]

Thread 'A good use for a 308 case'

Jan 10, 2024

And I will freely admit to having been involved in the Tobacco industry and seen all sides of it. Cigarettes are just full of crap. Think supermarket cheap cheap food.

Whereas a Cigar uses top quality leaf grown with minimal chemicals - think top quality organic food.

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Your thread from last January extolling the virtues of cigars, maybe this gave me the wrong impression?

Intriguing that you say you’ve been involved the the tobacco industry

Yes I did work in the tobacco industry in Zambia. I had 2,000 village farmers growing to tobacco, which earned them had cash, and the residual fertlisers allowed them to grow good food crops. It was a means to an end. I did have to work with the multinational tobacco companies, indeed one did offer me a very high paying job, but I didn’t like what I saw so went in other directions.

But I have never smoked other than the very occasional cigar.

I have also worked with another company that is using the tobacco plant as a bioreactor to produce mono clonal antibody drugs in a way that is substantially cheaper than traditional animal cell production systems.

But I won’t bore you with such things.

 

[palmer_mike]

Yes I did work in the tobacco industry in Zambia. I had 2,000 village farmers growing to tobacco, which earned them had cash, and the residual fertlisers allowed them to grow good food crops. It was a means to an end. I did have to work with the multinational tobacco companies, indeed one did offer me a very high paying job, but I didn’t like what I saw so went in other directions.

But I have never smoked other than the very occasional cigar.

I have also worked with another company that is using the tobacco plant as a bioreactor to produce mono clonal antibody drugs in a way that is substantially cheaper than traditional animal cell production systems.

But I won’t bore you with such things.

Interesting.
One could draw direct parallels between the freedom to chose to smoke (which has very well know health implications) and the freedom to chose to use ammunition containing lead (whose actual real world health implications are moot).

 

[Selous]

You really are a very unpleasant and ignorant person are n’t you. I am not scouring the internet. I happen to be working with the scientists who are actually doing the work on how lead harms the body, how it affects p53, and is now bringing treatments to market that reverse the adverse effects of lead in patients suffering acute myeloid leukaemia and small cell lung cancer in the first instance.

The effects of those diseases is not imagined but very real. There is a very strong correlation between elevated levels of heavy metals (including lead) in their blood and the disease and using drugs that remove these metals results in a much improved survival rate.

Lead has long been known to have a very adverse effect on health.

So actually unless you actually know what you are talking about you really do make yourself look a fool. One of the side effects of lead is reduced mental capacity.

I am actually very much pro shooting and conservation. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that lead is not harmful really does no one any favours. Technologies have moved on since 200 odd years ago.

I agree with you. The average annualised deaths with acute myeloid leukaemia alone is around 1100 people in Great Britain. If heavy metal exposure is a significant risk factor in the development of this disease then this is a very tangible problem that should not be ignored.

 

[Freeforester]

Imagine if the health authorities were to turn their attention to the deaths and injuries caused by say, an unsafe mRNA injection…

 

[Selous]

I’d say lead in game meat it the least of some people’s worries.
Stumbled across this a couple weeks back.

We get rid of lead in our produce but no guarantees that it will be removed from society.
The best way would be to action where it is in the highest concentrations first which would produce a bigger result.

The debate is very similar to ice v EV motoring or going to renewable energy in Britain.
Push Britain into the Atlantic and sink it to see what difference is made to the reduction in CO2 worldwide.

Thanks for posting this. What this emphasises is how woeful the screening is for lead exposure in the UK regardless of source. This explains the old chestnut that is wheeled out that lead poses no risk…. Because no one is looking for it !! How does anyone expect to find it if you don’t look?

 

[Smellydog]

Yes I did work in the tobacco industry in Zambia. I had 2,000 village farmers growing to tobacco, which earned them had cash, and the residual fertlisers allowed them to grow good food crops. It was a means to an end. I did have to work with the multinational tobacco companies, indeed one did offer me a very high paying job, but I didn’t like what I saw so went in other directions.

But I have never smoked other than the very occasional cigar.

I have also worked with another company that is using the tobacco plant as a bioreactor to produce mono clonal antibody drugs in a way that is substantially cheaper than traditional animal cell production systems.

But I won’t bore you with such things.

So do you advocate neonicotinoids?

 

[nun_hunter]

Interesting.
One could draw direct parallels between the freedom to chose to smoke (which has very well know health implications) and the freedom to chose to use ammunition containing lead (whose actual real world health implications are moot).

The parallels (at present) are that you can use lead ammo just like you can smoke but where using lead ammo or shooting impacts others then there are mechanisms in place to prevent that.

Consumers, producers and buyers of venison are preferring lead free because that's what the end customer wants

 

[palmer_mike]

The parallels (at present) are that you can use lead ammo just like you can smoke but where using lead ammo or shooting impacts others then there are mechanisms in place to prevent that.

Consumers, producers and buyers of venison are preferring lead free because that's what the end customer wants

It is proposed to outlaw lead ammo for shooting live quarry

 

[Heym SR20]

So do you advocate neonicotinoids?

No not at all as they are particularly harmful to bees and other useful insects.

However nicotine is a large protein molecule to which you can splice many other very useful molecules to it. This has allowed the development of biosimilars to many of the very expensive cancer drugs at a price point at 1/10 or less of such drugs when in animal cells.

The company has also developed of vaccines and treatments that can be very rapidly scaled up in the case of pandemic (ebola in particular) or in biological warfare.

 

[Heym SR20]

I agree with you. The average annualised deaths with acute myeloid leukaemia alone is around 1100 people in Great Britain. If heavy metal exposure is a significant risk factor in the development of this disease then this is a very tangible problem that should not be ignored.

Don’t forget the much wider cohort of other leukaemia and blood cancers, many of which will progress to AML in the later stages.

There are also 50,000 odd cases of lung cancer in the UK, of which 15% are aggressive Small Cell Lung cancers (7,500 in the UK) and these are also being targeted for treatment.

At the moment AML and SCLC are pretty much non survivable and progression is very fast.

A little more about the science

Science - Pleco Therapeutics

www.plecotherapeutics.com

They achieved orphan drug status i the USA Jan 2024 and are now moving towards clinical trials for it to become a mainstream treatment.

Frankly I take very little regard of the statements that many opine that lead is non harmful and that it is all a conspiracy. I listen to and read the science and the clinicians who are recognised experts in their field. They all take the view that heavy metals are harmful and that removing them dramatically improves clinical outcomes.

And also the powers that be who will be bringing in the lead ban will also be listening to the science, and the views of those of us, self included, will have little sway.

 

[Smellydog]

No not at all as they are particularly harmful to bees and other useful insects.

However nicotine is a large protein molecule to which you can splice many other very useful molecules to it. This has allowed the development of biosimilars to many of the very expensive cancer drugs at a price point at 1/10 or less of such drugs when in animal cells.

The company has also developed of vaccines and treatments that can be very rapidly scaled up in the case of pandemic (ebola in particular) or in biological warfare.

That's great but it doesn't negate the fact that you sold tobacco products that you knew were harmful if smoked, is that correct?
Is it also correct that it is wrong of you and others to imply that lead is dissolved in stomach acid?