Shock collar
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Ferretlurcher70
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My lab had a thing about horses. Took a couple of outings. Only used a cheap Chinese eBay one
Ferretlurcher70
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Cured my dog.
Utectok
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I guess if it works in a short time? I just keep remembering the most unhappy spaniel I’ve ever met. Spent half the shoot trailing a choke lead behind and some kid pressing the shock collar randomly. Not surprisingly he buggered off on the first drive and turned up after lunch after going through all the covets. Lucky he didn’t hang himself. I was a younger man then these days I’d have said something it was a horrid day for him. Anyway rather coloured my opinion I suppose perhaps unfairly?
Ferretlurcher70
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Like everything in life . moderation .
bobthedug
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IF, and its a big if, used properly, they are a very effective training tool.
Unfortunately, nearly every time I have seen them in action, they were being misused and bordering on cruelty to the dog.
Unless you are experienced in their use, tread carefully as its very easy to ruin a dog through their misuse
Unfortunately, nearly every time I have seen them in action, they were being misused and bordering on cruelty to the dog.
Unless you are experienced in their use, tread carefully as its very easy to ruin a dog through their misuse
If the dogs running in it’s back to basics for me. Hare or not spend the time and get it steady. Flicking dummies round the dog. simulating bolting rabbits tied to bungee chords as u hunt the dog up. Even phone around and get urself a couple of sessions in a rabbit pen.
Not for me the collar and I’m fairly sure there illegal nowadays
Not for me the collar and I’m fairly sure there illegal nowadays
Love them or hate them. If used correctly they are extremely effective at correcting unwanted behaviour. Clearly it’s better to get a well bred dog and train it correctly from the start.
Some things can be corrected and other things can’t. For example you’ll never stop a dog whining with a collar, I’ve seen people try and it’s horrific, turns the dog into an absolute mess.
You want to make a head strong high drive dog steady, a collar will do it almost instantly.
However dogs are not stupid, they know when they are on and when they are not. Train with a collar on, you will always need a collar on.
Some things can be corrected and other things can’t. For example you’ll never stop a dog whining with a collar, I’ve seen people try and it’s horrific, turns the dog into an absolute mess.
You want to make a head strong high drive dog steady, a collar will do it almost instantly.
However dogs are not stupid, they know when they are on and when they are not. Train with a collar on, you will always need a collar on.
They are illegal in Scotland and Wales, documented in legislation, but despite the press saying it would occur after being voted upon, the legislation itself was never changed or updates. I suspect because of the reliance on their use for working dogs bred for the military and police. Although most of those are part trained in the US and Europe before being brought over here.
glasshalffull
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Used one in the early 90's on an unruly spaniel when in hindsight I should've put it around my own neck as I'd made the usual novice training mistake of progressing too quickly to live game. I never needed to use another and the answer was simply to progress training at the dogs speed and back to basics if required. The collar didn't correct that dogs problems and it was only used at end of season walked up days usually a 100yrds out in front but not amazing how many birds flew back over me as they'd learnt to do so avoid being shot during driven days 
If used correctly its an invaluable tool, my dog wears one when on walks not pressed all the time but it's handy when needed. Multiple intensities including vibration and tone and it's all about working out what works for your dog. Shouldn't be used as the only tool but a good one to have in the repertoire
Ps it's not really a shock more like a tens machine or Slendertone
Ps it's not really a shock more like a tens machine or Slendertone
long_range_rob
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I agree it’s a tool for training but I would say if you’re going to use one test on yourself first so you actually know what you’re subjecting your best friend to.
100% agree, did this on every level on the one for my dog
Found them very helpful with headstrong, selectively deaf Cockers, initially they did have an occasional mild shock. I don't think that I have used the actual shock setting for years after initial training, the beep or vibration setting is all that I have needed, several dogs and typically only required as a reminder early in the season.
I have seen them used by bloody idiots who can't be arsed to spend time with their dogs shocking the hell out of them because they are too lazy to train them properly.
I have seen them used by bloody idiots who can't be arsed to spend time with their dogs shocking the hell out of them because they are too lazy to train them properly.
John Gryphon
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I totally disagree with that line. If a dog has been exposed to a training and displays recalcitrant behaviour when not wearing one a refresher course reminds them that any stuff ups will be rewarded with the collar again.
They’re a good tool for very specific circumstances. I think they’re illegal in England and Wales but couldn’t find any information about Scotland. I think they’re advised against but legal in Scotland.
Totally mishandled in my opinion, they should have been licensed after training instead. In the wrong hands, they’re a terrible thing for a dog.
Totally mishandled in my opinion, they should have been licensed after training instead. In the wrong hands, they’re a terrible thing for a dog.
They are a handy tool for a headstrong dog as has been said - you don’t need them to be riding the lightning constantly….but if your dog is headstrong and runs regardless of stop whistle or command it can stop them in their tracks and that’s got to be better than a dead dog on the road!
Regards,
Gixer
Regards,
Gixer
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