Shock collar.

[John Gryphon]

We have no tolerance for dogs on their last chance that chase/kill or attempt to kill stock,sheep/calves whatevers. The use of such a collar can mean life on the farm or no life at all. They are an extension of you in the field and the dog realises that 100-500 yards separation doesnt count anymore.The collars are not at all bad..shitt we have played many drinking games with them on ourselves,true!

There is a mob here that ran a program to 'snake proof' your dog. It was done through one of the Deer Clubs. IE allow dog to come into some sort of close contact with a real snake and administer the 'training' . Dogs then know not to go near a snake..end of story....NOT end of dog.

 

[foxinmad]

We have no tolerance for dogs on their last chance that chase/kill or attempt to kill stock,sheep/calves whatevers. The use of such a collar can mean life on the farm or no life at all. They are an extension of you in the field and the dog realises that 100-500 yards separation doesnt count anymore.The collars are not at all bad..shitt we have played many drinking games with them on ourselves,true!

There is a mob here that ran a program to 'snake proof' your dog. It was done through one of the Deer Clubs. IE allow dog to come into some sort of close contact with a real snake and administer the 'training' . Dogs then know not to go near a snake..end of story....NOT end of dog.

Spot on John boy

 

[bicykillgaz]

Using an ecollar saved my dogs life. They are like any tool they can be used correctly or abused.

They're great for sorting specific issues but I don't like the idea of them used as an everyday training tool for general commands.

 

[booradley]

It strikes me as rank hypocrisy for the kennel club to have a campaign to ban e-collars on the grounds of welfare while it continues to fail to tackle hip dysplasia in German shepherds and other breed defects in other breeds.

Excellent point IMO.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Excellent point IMO.

I agree but I thought the KC had learned a lesson and had taken action against inbred deformation in various breeds ?
I seem to recall German Shepherds as a breed in point

 

[Covert]

Not something that should be used in my opinion.
Not just on animal welfare issue.
In North America gun dogs have been bred to be collar trained and forced retrieved.
Consequently you can train anything by zapping them.
Not bred for temperament, natural ability ,trainability just psychotic, hyperactive aggressive mongrels.

 

[booradley]

Not bred for temperament, natural ability ,trainability just psychotic, hyperactive aggressive mongrels.

How do you know this?

 

[Rake Aboot]

Not something that should be used in my opinion.
Not just on animal welfare issue.
In North America gun dogs have been bred to be collar trained and forced retrieved.
Consequently you can train anything by zapping them.
Not bred for temperament, natural ability ,trainability just psychotic, hyperactive aggressive mongrels.

Really ? I find that hard to believe. I'd need more info and examples for this tbh.

Post some links to what you are saying.

 

[John Gryphon]

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Really ? I find that hard to believe. I'd need more info and examples for this tbh.

Post some links to what you are saying.

Hey Rakey I`m with you on this.

Consequently you can train anything by zapping them.

No you cannot!

 

[jimmy milnes]

Excellent point IMO.

Also theres the hypocrisy of breeding/showing fir looks only which the kc endorse imo via all the shows such as crufts.
My reasons for this is just look at the many breeds that have major health issues since the show people got hold of them, in fact i think just of late a couple of breeds have been banned by one country because of health issues.
Cheers Jimmy

 

[Covert]

Really ? I find that hard to believe. I'd need more info and examples for this tbh.

Post some links to what you are saying.

Really ? I find that hard to believe. I'd need more info and examples for this tbh.

Post some links to what you are saying.

Personal experience.
Worked dogs in the U.K. for 40 years, last 25 years both sides of the pond.,Currently manage a property over there with a kennel of 40 dogs. Travelled extensively over there shooting , visiting kennels, field trials and sourcing dogs.
Retrievers of all breeds are poor, spaniels not good,some decent English pointers,setters on the quail plantations in the south
Look at any training resource , book,magazine, video , podcast etc and you will see how they train dogs.
Every advert for a trained dog will say collar trained, force retrieved.
They are bred to be trained this way. Only in the last few years have British and Irish blood lines arrived and training by positive reinforcement,clicker training, place mat tracing started to be used
Retrieving is trained (forced) by starting the puppy on a raised table , with a collar fixed to a frame. Pain is induced when the dog has nothing in its mouth ((normally twisting an ear or a toe) it’s stops when something is placed in its mouth.
Consequently you can get anything to retrieve, hard mouth’s aa given.
To train a dog with a collar they have been bred either selectively or as a consequence to produce a hard, hyperactive even neurotic type of dog.
As with anything over there you buy success, if you haven’t got the latest training collar, GPS collar you aren’t true dog men. It just perpetuates the cycle and the training culture.
Unfortunately it ended up on our shores.

 

[gixer1]

Used one on our springer - they are an excellent tool if used correctly, she would stand and look at the mrs for recall prior to this. With the collar she has learned to come back immediately. Most of it is just used on vibrate however if she decides she is going to try to run to something when being recalled I have used the shock function and it’s an immediate stop, turn and come back.

They don’t need to be used all the time and as the dog learns can be removed completely.

Regards,
Gixer

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I have just arrived back in my village in Bavaria and found one of the WFH types had took their dog for a walk in the woods off its lead, it had then killed a roe doe with two in the womb. My neighbour has not got the revier signed up again for the next 9 years yet as its all in a BS stage with the local government hunt officials so he is not officially liable to sort out rtas etc, the local landowners have had to retrieve and dispose of the carcass, my neighbour has told the walker "no more warnings it will get lead if (pun) its seen off its lead".

 

[Wilbur]

I don’t believe that all retrievers over there are poor I know a few trialling lads that sold pups over there who are doing really well in the field trialling side of it,w

 

[Pedro]

They are indeed a tool that when used properly can be a positive training aid. The problem is they are often frequently not used properly, hence the legislators in some parts making them illegal. A bit like using the whip on a race horse, where inappropriate use by the jockey will result in trouble.

 

[Selous]

My personal opinion is that where used properly they are an incredibly useful and effective tool for some situations, such as to enforce a recall under highly stimulated condiitons, but like everything they can and do get misused. Referring to them as a torture device is sensationalistic and quite frankly ridiculous. They are no more a torture device than a choke chain, slip lead or muzzle, as all of these things if used incorrectly can cause serious permanent harm to a dog. How many of you have seen dogs towing owners around choking and struggling to breathe, for me it is a daily occurrence. How many dogs in the general population will take off into the distance after wildlife, other dogs, traffic, cats etc leaving the owner shouting "FENTON....OH Christ NO!!!" in its wake. Some of these very poorly controlled dogs either need to be euthanised or kept on a lead for the rest of the dogs life to prevent them from harming either themselves or others when they take off into the far blue yonder. Now personally I would rather give a dog a few well timed low level stimulations from an E collar than see it failing to recall and go on to chase cats/sheep, wildlife and be a danger for the rest of its days. Sadly the previously referenced BVA have taken a politically correct stance at the expense of common sense on the use of shock collars.

 

[Dogtra UK]

Thankfully not all vets agree with the BVA line judging by the amount of collars I have sent direct to veterinary surgeries or having spoken with customers who have divulged they are vets.

E-Collars are like steroids in athletics. Nobody uses them, but everyone knows someone who does.

 

[Covert]

I don’t believe that all retrievers over there are poor I know a few trialling lads that sold pups over there who are doing really well in the field trialling side of it,w

Big place America.
Think we are singing from the same hymn sheet though.
Only decent stuff is from British and Irish blood lines