Shooting deer at night

[countrryboy]

CB I do not go against anything you say, My reply would be why not do it in the day light. Most of the contractors from here have jobs this is a little extra. I say fill your boots but follow the law and BP that underpins it. IF You do not have the money or the resources then look about you in the central belt area there is a waiting list at every private and company office for deer stalking. Why don't they lamp these small areas because there is absolutely no need. This competence of the Scottish government set about by SNH is a sham is it not.
My Last post Christ I said I would not get into this lol.See what a glass of wine can do.

6P i do not think we are that far away i our opinions.

But 1 question
Wot do u belive the problem is? Is it the number of deer their culling or purely the method?
I used to have a more of a problem with lamping, but in reality it doesnae really make much difference, its more the numbers that count and sadly managing deer is all about numbers now

Would u rather the small parcel was syndicated out and they shot the same number?
Now it probably won't have a massive population of deer, so having say 6 local stalkers, possibly 1 or 2 retired out once a week each and a most weekends having the working boys out stalking.

If lamping can be more effective (and in small parcels of land it probably is quite effective) u could probably argue a case for lamping actually being far kinder for the deer as they are disturbed far less.
The only argument against lamping is it is not as selective but u could argue the ammount of selective culling in forestry areas is almost nil nowadays anyway

 

[landkeeper]

i have no dog in this fight, but an observation from a similar situation with sika and fallow on a friends farm. 70 acres of replanted oak needed to be completely replaced simply down to NIGHT damage by non resident deer , ````````````the animals were not on the land during daylight hours , sometimes the animals doing the damage can only be controlled at the time they are causing the problem .

 

[6pointer]

No body is saying do not protect your Crop Landkeeper quite the opposite. Negative impacts should be dealt with and a system is in place to do just that. If you have a problem you go to SNH and ask for an out of season on an area that precise area is named and you get it checked very quickly. a few questions of what has been tried.The chap from SNH will have the experience to say if the land needs a night licence and you will be issued with it.
What I am against is the lamping with out cause lots of areas can have good effective deer management plans on them with out braking the law.
FES and SNH have been issuing out of season/night Authorisations for massive areas that do not need a lamp they could be managed by the same people or people like them in day light and in season. Theses population are to be managed for the medium to long term not a reaction to a severe negative impact.

 

[JTO]

Do the MoD and the Forestry Commission have to apply for licenses to kill deer at night?

 

[Ranger22]

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Do the MoD and the Forestry Commission have to apply for licenses to kill deer at night?

FC has to

 

[slider]

FES and SNH have been issuing out of season/night Authorisations for massive areas that do not need a lamp they could be managed by the same people or people like them in day light and in season. Theses population are to be managed for the medium to long term not a reaction to a severe negative impact.

FES/FCS do not issue any licences - SNH are the only body with authority to do so.

 

[swarovski]

I bet there is more shot at night than there is in the day

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Do the MoD and the Forestry Commission have to apply for licenses to kill deer at night?

The MOD don't shoot deer at night anywhere.
MS

 

[375 mag]

People aren't spending thousands of pounds on night vision to shoot vermin I bet the vast majority are shooting deer at night all night vision should be licensed.

 

[Monkey Spanker]

People aren't spending thousands of pounds on night vision to shoot vermin I bet the vast majority are shooting deer at night all night vision should be licensed.

I'm not sure that's true. Most is for foxing. When a pheasant is worth up to about £40-50 on shoot day, an investment of a couple of grand is nothing in the long run.
Guns are licenced, but it doesn't stop them using them does it?
MS

 

[devon deer stalker]

People aren't spending thousands of pounds on night vision to shoot vermin I bet the vast majority are shooting deer at night all night vision should be licensed.

I would agree with that, and of course in the past you could see where people were lamping at night, but these days you have no idea with people using night vision equipment.
Cheers
Richard

 

[375 mag]

Would that be the same reason thermals getting snapped up by keepers or because it's rather useful for identifying let's say other target species.!

 

[countrryboy]

Wot a croc of ****.

From wot i can gather nite shootoing does not exist in england full stop. Anything shot at night wotever scope they use is poaching, nothing else.

Even in scotland it is not anywhere near as common as some people think, and even fc rangers still shoot a lot in normal stalking.
Plus dunno why this has been resurectted at this time of year but there willl be no night licences issued for months yet.
Really dunno why folk get so upset about it, there are issues with it but not as many as made out on here and even then really only with transient herds of deer

 

[slider]

Countryboy, I am you are wrong regarding night shooting not existing in England. Natural England will issue licences in the right circumstances. This is the link to the licence application https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/426367/licence-shoot-deer-a16.pdf

p.s. I am not against night shooting where this is required - specific crop damage, areas of high public use etc

 

[countrryboy]

Yes but i'm lead to belief it has never issued a licence/or only issued 1 licence (so someone claimed on here) so just don't see it as a big issue south of the border. Personally don't see it as an issue north of border either but it is far more common

Night shooting is not the problem, the bigger problem is the way some foretry companis or governement bodies as well as quite a few charities view deer (ie as vermin)

 

[JTO]

The MOD don't shoot deer at night anywhere.
MS

You are joking aren't you.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Night shooting is only going to happen in England where there is a risk to public safety... pretty much

 

[Monkey Spanker]

You are joking aren't you.

No. Unless you know something I don't which I doubt. Poachers yes, but not authorised Defence Deer Managers.

 

[Gaz]

Night shooting is only going to happen in England where there is a risk to public safety... pretty much

legal night shooting maybe but illegal night shooting will happen everywhere.

 

[slider]

Night shooting is not the problem, the bigger problem is the way some foretry companis or governement bodies as well as quite a few charities view deer (ie as vermin)

Well they are is they are eating your crop! No difference really to pigeons devastating a rape field or foxes getting in the pheasant pen. Forestry business's primary goal is to grow tree, not provide recreational stalking. The reason they have moved from leasing out stalking to recreation stalker to using contractors is simply that recreations stalkers weren't reducing numbers to the required densities.